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Top 5 Myths About America

MYTH 1: The US was founded on Christian principles.

TRUTH:

This is incorrect.
The Constitution never once mentions a deity, because the Founding Fathers wanted to keep their new country “religion-neutral.” Our Founding Fathers were an eclectic collection of Atheists, Deists, Christians, Freemasons and Agnostics.

George Washington, the Father of our country, and John Adams (Second President of the USA) CLEARLY stated in the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli: “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion”.

G.W. rarely attended church and instead followed a popular 18th century philosophy called Deism a Star Wars-esque philosophy that believed in a cosmic energy or big-ass universal “Force.” The dictionary says that Deism is “a system of thought advocating natural religion based on human reason rather than revelation,” that had nothing to do with Christian principles.

James Madison, original mastermind of our Constitution, was an Atheist to the core who loved skewering Christianity. In 1785 he wrote, “What have been [Christianity’s] fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”

Thomas Jefferson, who sat down and authored The Declaration of Independence, rarely missed an opportunity to laugh at Christianity. In a letter to John Adams in 1823, he wrote: “The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus…will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”

More ammo: In 1814, Tommy J. wrote about the Bible’s Old and New Testaments, “The whole history of these books is so defective and doubtful – evidence that parts have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds.”

In fact, it was President Jefferson himself who first wrote (to a Baptist church group in 1802), “The First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between Church and State.” Therefore, when Jefferson talked about “Nature’s God,” the “Creator” and “divine Providence” in the Declaration that he wrote, he was being a hippie and referring to a general cosmic energy-- not the Christian God.

America is not a Christian nation. Period. Our Constitution derived from the post-Christian Enlightenment values of reason and truth…never from the paranoid yammerings of that otherwise compassionate cult leader who fucking died in the Middle Eastern desert 3000 years ago.

MYTH 2: US Conservatives tend to be patriotic, ethical Americans; liberals tend to hate America and are immoral.

TRUTH:

Liberals aren’t the traitors to America. In fact, conservatives who insist on sending American troops into the Iraqi slaughterhouse to watch some blood-n’-guts “towelhead” ass-kickin’ are the traitors. Most of them could care less about our troops, no more than Mao or Stalin cared about the safety of their own soldiers. In the neocons’ view, these young boys and girls are expendable test dummies. They’re dying for virtually nothing, so that the hicks in the Bush Admin can make good on their campaign promises to their buddies from the petroleum and infrastructure-rebuilding industries. By revving up the Arab threat, these MFs can scream “national security” and “freedom” as smokescreens, while getting their hands on a diminishing resource: Middle Eastern fossil fuels, which power everything from your lightbulbs and computer that you leave on all night, to your stupid gas-guzzler pickup truck.

Pro-war conservatives are the traitors to America. With only 29% of the public approving of Bush’s policies now, it took a full 5 years for America to finally wake up in bed next to this disgusting fact.

Do liberals hate America? No, in fact they care so much about the USA that they fight so aggressively to make it better. They’re not anti-American; they’re just anti-stupidity. Do liberals hate American policies? Sometimes, but only the self-destructive ones that threaten human rights, liberty, democracy, justice, inquiry, excellence and reason-- the values that our country was founded upon.

As for conservative moral superiority? Frauds. Think of the child-molesting priests, money-scamming televangelist preachers, Jack Abramoff’s friends in the Bush Admin, gay-hating Jesus lovers, the Christians who beat up the professor who opposed intelligent design, human rights violators like Lynndie England and her Abu Ghraib hick officer pals, Tommy “Scandal-icious” Delay, Scooter “Leaky” Libby, the entire K Street Project meant to hire only Republicans, FEMA’s Michael “Yer doin’ a heckuva job” Brownie, and so on.

Oh and by the way, conservative Red states have a divorce rate 27% higher than the liberal Blue states, the per capita rate of violent crime in Red states is 49 per 100,000 higher than in Blue states, the top 5 states with the highest rates of alcohol abuse are Red states, and the per capita rate of gonorrhea in Red states was 41 per 100,000 higher than in the Blue states. Time to unshelf the antibiotics for our “ethical,” “God-fearing” conservative friends with their “traditional family values.”

MYTH 3. The US has a liberal media.

TRUTH:

This is a paranoid Republican myth.
Reality check: the US media is a mix of liberal, centrist and conservative voices. Also, the US media is largely owned by 10 corporations who frequently push pro-conservative agendas to the American public. Evidence:

  1. Even Republican Pat Buchanan confessed, “For heaven sakes, we kid about the liberal media, but every Republican on earth does that.” Neo-conservative pundit Bill Kristol also said, “I admit it: the liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.”

  2. A 2005 study in the Quarterly Journal of Economics found that “coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media.” Why? Partly because only four major corporate networks control American TV news-- up to 75% of the audience share. The “Big 10” media conglomerates who control the bulk of the entire US media are: AOL Time Warner, Disney, General Electric, News Corporation, Viacom, Vivendi, Sony, Bertelsmann, AT&T and Liberty Media. Yes, we have National Public Radio, but compare its public reach to that of Canada’s CBC and the United Kingdom’s BBC.

  3. Eighty percent of all US newspapers are owned by corporate chains.

  4. Liberals are virtually non-existent on talk radio stations nationwide. Rush and Dr. Laura, eat your hearts out.

  5. Conservatives are very well accomodated for across FOX News, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Times, the New York Post, the American Spectator, the Weekly Standard, the Drudge Report, the National Review, etc. Even so-called “bastions of liberalism,” e.g. the NY Times, MSNBC, WashPost and NPR make a concerted effort to be “fair and balanced” by bringing in right-wing views like those of David Brooks, Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson, Charles Krauthammer and Cokie Roberts to have their say in these forums, respectively. This is in stark contrast to FOX News’ claims to unbiased objectivity, which were easily demolished by Robert Greenwald in 2004.

  6. Contrary to what some paranoid Republicans claim, most journalists are centrists, not liberals. A representative sample of 141 US journalists and bureau chiefs were asked in 1998, “On social issues, how would you characterize your political orientation?” Answers: Left 30%, Center 57%, Right 9%, Other 5% . Next question, same sample: "On economic issues, how would you characterize your political orientation? " Answers: Left 11%, Center 64%, Right 19%, Other 5%. Also, look at the total number of think tank citations in major newspapers, radio and TV transcripts: Conservative TTs: 7792, Centrist TTs: 6361, Liberal TTs: 1152.

  7. Eric Alterman summarizes a 1999 research study from the academic journal Communications Research: “Four scholars examined the use of the ‘liberal media’ argument and discovered a fourfold increase in the number of Americans telling pollsters that they discerned a liberal bias in their news. But a review of the media’s actual ideological content, collected and coded over a twelve-year period, offered no corroboration whatever for this view.”

MYTH 4. The US doesnt need improvement compared to other countries; it is the greatest country in the world.

TRUTH:
Wrong again. I’ll only cite the statistics here.

USA Ranking on Adult Literacy Scale: #9
(#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- OECD

USA Ranking on Healthcare Quality Index: #37
(#1 France and #2 Italy)- World Health Organization 2003

USA Ranking of Student Reading Ability: #12
(#1 Finland and #2 South Korea)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking of Student Problem Solving Ability: #26
(#1 South Korea and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking on Student Mathematics Ability: # 24
(#1 Hong Kong and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking of Student Science Ability: #19
(#1 Finland and #2 Japan)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking on Women’s Rights Scale: #17
(#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- World Economic Forum Report

USA Position on Timeline of Gay Rights Progress: # 6 (1997)
(#1 Sweden 1987 and #2 Norway 1993)- Vexen

USA Ranking on Life Expectancy: #29
(#1 Japan and #2 Hong Kong)- UN Human Development Report 2005

USA Ranking on Journalistic Press Freedom Index: #32
(#1 Finland, Iceland, Norway and the Netherlands tied)- Reporters Without Borders 2005

USA Ranking on Political Corruption Index: #17
(#1 Iceland and #2 Finland)- Transparency International 2005

USA Ranking on Quality of Life Survey: #13
(#1 Ireland and #2 Switzerland)- The Economist Magazine …Wikipedia “Celtic Tiger” if you still have your doubts.

USA Ranking on Environmental Sustainability Index: #45
(#1 Finland and #2 Norway)- Yale University ESI 2005

USA Ranking on Overall Currency Strength: #3 (US Dollar)
(#1 UK pound sterling and #2 European Union euro)- FTSE 2006…the dollar is now a liability, so many banks worldwide have planned to switch to euro

USA Ranking on Infant Mortality Rate: #32
(#1 Sweden and #2 Finland)- Save the Children Report 2006

USA Ranking on Human Development Index (GDP, education, etc.): #10
(#1 Norway and #2 Iceland)- UN Human Development Report 2005

So much for those “socialist” Europeans and those “backward” Asians, hm?
We can do better than this.

Miscellany:
*Only 18% of Americans own passports and bother to travel outside of the US.

  • 85% of US soldiers in Iraq believe that they are there to get revenge for 9/11.
  • New international student enrollment in US grad schools has decreased by 6%, because of xenophobic post-9/11 US visa restrictions, jacked-up tuition fees and better educational opportunities in the EU and Asia. So no, not everyone wants to come here anymore, because it’s become a land of incredibly limited opportunity, and we’ve lowered our educational standards.

MYTH 5: The US government loves to help other countries.

TRUTH:
This is a myth. The US government tends to be motivated by interests, not humanitarian principles.

Denmark gives the most amount of its GDP (1.01%) to developing countries; Norway gives 0.91%; the Netherlands give 0.79% and so on until the end of list, where the USA sits. Yes, America ranks DEAD LAST in foreign aid at a pathetic 0.1% of its GDP, compared to the other 21 nations listed as developed nations. The idea that the US government is a heroic bunch that runs around the world helping the poor and the disempowered is not backed up by the evidence. We have one of the stingiest governments on earth.

Most Americans believe the US spends 24% of its budget on aid to poor countries; the actual amount is well under a quarter of 1%. Our country also ranks #5 on asylum-seeker acceptance rates (#1 is Denmark and #2 is Canada).

For you self-congratulatory, redneck-inspired conservative fuckwads who will start to say, “B-b-b-but you’re anti-American! M-m-m-moonbat! G-g-g-god bless the USA!” I answer, “Go fuck yourself. We can do better.” Stop blindly believing everything your president tells you. Come back to us only when you start realizing that the $400 billion your president has allocated to his Roman Empire-style military overstretch could be better spent on correcting the sociopolitical and economic problems in the arenas that I’ve listed above.

For you liberal shit-heels who will start to say, “Yeah! Right on!” I answer, “Grow some fucking balls.” That goes for women and the LGBT community too, and don’t call me a sexist either: but I believe balls can be useful in situations like these. Instead, stop apologizing for being the “liberal elite,” and start championing un-abashed excellence in everything, not mediocrity. Help your reps and senators take back Congress, and stop dithering while the political tides are turning in your favor right now. The conservatives are terrified now; TAKE advantage of that. And don’t waste time trying to explain rational things to any homophobic Christians, or hyper-patriotic losers who wave and cheapen our American flag only for a self-esteem buzz, or those testosterone-filled, gullible, culturally-ignorant military recruiter robots who lack even a basic intelligence. THEY CANNOT BE REASONED WITH. They don’t understand statistics, elaborate charts, legislative proposals or complicated scientific explanations. Just let them go. Let them go.

In the meantime, stop being SHEEP and get up and do something before some bright and ambitious Chinese, Indian and the European students grow up to be international leaders and make your lazy, self-absorbed kids irrelevant on the world stage.

5 spike is a must, followed by a tall glass of grapefruit juice.

-ssn0

I’m amazed at the horseshit that comes out of you.

…whatjeffkilled.com was cool though…I’ll give you that.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
…whatjeffkilled.com was cool though…I’ll give you that.[/quote]

Thanks bro!

Well, I wonder if bothering with your half-literate tripe is worth it, but one painfully obvious error:

The Constitution is signed “in the Year of our Lord”. Fair to say the document mentions a Deity.

Now, I don’t think the Constitution is a rootin’, tootin’ Christian document - since it directly states that no Religious Test is needed, a heathen could serve as a national public servant, which would contradict being a Christian document straightaway - but if you are going to make a claim, at least try and pretend to know what you are talking about.

And, it is always a bad idea to pass something off as your own when it is not:

newyork.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/163437715.html

Ha Ha… Respect for writing and/or cutting and pasting that. You must be an e-masochist.

None of that info makes America ‘bad’, but to contextualise it relation to the rest of the world as you did shows it is just another country doing it’s own thing and looking out for itself - just like every other country on the planet.

My personal feelings though, are that their self-serving foreign policy - and I accept EVERYONE’s foreign policy is self-serving - is pursued too aggressively, and subsequently rubs a lot of the rest of the world up the wrong way.

The other issue non-yanks tend to have is that not too many other countries go on ad infinitum about how their respective country is ‘the greatest in the world’.

Except me. Because my country IS the greatest in the world. UK! UK! lol

Regardless, I gleefully await the inevitable tirade of flames that will undoubtedly follow your post.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Now, I don’t think the Constitution is a rootin’, tootin’ Christian document - since it directly states that no Religious Test is needed, a heathen could serve as a national public servant, which would contradict being a Christian document straightaway - but if you are going to make a claim, at least try and pretend to know what you are talking about.[/quote]

I look forward to seeing more pagans take public office in the US. Heathen druidic ceremonies sound like great fun. Virgins everywhere!

Unless you meant atheist where you said heathen. Which wouldn’t be anywhere near as much fun, and you wouldn’t get to burn huge wicker men on the White House lawn.

[quote]ssn0 wrote:

In the meantime, stop being SHEEP and get up and do something before some bright and ambitious Chinese, Indian and the European students grow up to be international leaders and make your lazy, self-absorbed kids irrelevant on the world stage.

5 spike is a must, followed by a tall glass of grapefruit juice.

-ssn0[/quote]

First of all, you plagerized the crap out of this. If this were a school project you would receive an “F” and would probably be kicked out of the school. Seen it all before. Next time list your references.

Secondly, tell me exactly what do you do to ensure the future of America? What do you mean by your above statement and how do you exemplify this?

[quote]PGJ wrote:
Secondly, tell me exactly what do you do to ensure the future of America? What do you mean by your above statement and how do you exemplify this?

[/quote]

HA! I’m glad you caught on, yeah if this was school I would definately be expelled and be forced to join the marines. Which I plan on doing so in the next few months to continue freedom, and the spread of Peace.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Well, I wonder if bothering with your half-literate tripe is worth it, but one painfully obvious error:

The Constitution is signed “in the Year of our Lord”. Fair to say the document mentions a Deity.

Now, I don’t think the Constitution is a rootin’, tootin’ Christian document - since it directly states that no Religious Test is needed, a heathen could serve as a national public servant, which would contradict being a Christian document straightaway - but if you are going to make a claim, at least try and pretend to know what you are talking about.[/quote]

Our dating system is an historical artifact of Western culture, and has no legal significance or implications for the meaning of the Constitution or the First Amendment. The American Colonies were established by Europeans; we naturally inherited the European practice of dating years from the birth of Christ. Nothing follows from this except the trivial observation that, in establishing our independence, we decided not to completely overthrow our cultural heritage.

Liberals aren’t bad…they just need to grown up.

The media is not liberal but working the ref for 20+ years on this topic has served the GOP well.

[quote]ssn0 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Secondly, tell me exactly what do you do to ensure the future of America? What do you mean by your above statement and how do you exemplify this?

HA! I’m glad you caught on, yeah if this was school I would definately be expelled and be forced to join the marines. Which I plan on doing so in the next few months to continue freedom, and the spread of Peace.[/quote]

Seriously, stop avoiding the question.

I love these lists, set up straw men and then knock them down.

[quote]ssn0 wrote:
MYTH 1: The US was founded on Christian principles.[/quote]

TRUTH:
Our founding fathers represented various religions and beliefs other than Christian. This justifies trampling peoples’ religious rights.

TRUTH:
John Kerry and Al Gore both drive SUVs.

If all the Pro-War Conservatives stopped driving SUVs/Pickups tomorrow, we’d have solved about 1/50th of the total problem.

Pro-war conservatives are traitors to America because they’re sticking with the majority vote that got us into the war in the first place. The anti-war liberals who were formerly pro-war liberals are much better leaders.

Corruption and anti-intellectualism is clearly the domain of conservatives. The retarded fundamentalists that protest at soldiers funerals aren’t just wackos, they’re conservative wackos, never mind the fact that some of the most conservative states in the nation are litigating against them. And these protestors actions are in no way equatable to someone like Cindy Sheehan. Sheehan is clearly not a wacko in that she’s a Democrat. Her actions represent reasonable and effect methods to effect change without being disrespectful to anyone.

TRUTH:
When polled, all of the media correspondents identified themselves as ‘centrist’. Clearly they are all centrists and none of them lie, except the NY Times.

Further, there is no liberal MSM. The fact that the MSM is owned by a handful of corporations proves this. This can be seen when we see stars like Susan Sarandon or Martin Sheen standing behind legitimate protestors like Cindy Sheehan in a bipartisan protest of the war. And why the #1 and #2 grossing ‘documentaries’ were produced by a man who is clearly not a wacko and not a liberal. Fair and balanced is the domain of liberal networks that hire token conservatives.

TRUTH:
All conservatives believe the US is perfect. Only liberals can see fault with our nation and only liberals have the divine knowledge to make us #1 in every category.

TRUTH:
Only the US government is motivated by interest rather than altruism. Other countries donate a much greater share of their GDP (which was likely built or rebuilt with their labor not American dollars). This is the only measure to which we should hold our good nature, % GDP. Not actual dollars or areas that have benefitted or benefitted vicariously, not intervening against genocide, not innovation and management, just % GDP. If only the US could do for say, India and/or China what Denmark has done for Africa or even just the people of Darfur, the world would be a much better place.

[quote]lucasa wrote:
I love these lists, set up straw men and then knock them down.

ssn0 wrote:
MYTH 1: The US was founded on Christian principles.

TRUTH:
Our founding fathers represented various religions and beliefs other than Christian. This justifies trampling peoples’ religious rights.

MYTH 2: US Conservatives tend to be patriotic, ethical Americans; liberals tend to hate America and are immoral.

TRUTH:
John Kerry and Al Gore both drive SUVs.

If all the Pro-War Conservatives stopped driving SUVs/Pickups tomorrow, we’d have solved about 1/50th of the total problem.

Pro-war conservatives are traitors to America because they’re sticking with the majority vote that got us into the war in the first place. The anti-war liberals who were formerly pro-war liberals are much better leaders.

Corruption and anti-intellectualism is clearly the domain of conservatives. The retarded fundamentalists that protest at soldiers funerals aren’t just wackos, they’re conservative wackos, never mind the fact that some of the most conservative states in the nation are litigating against them. And these protestors actions are in no way equatable to someone like Cindy Sheehan. Sheehan is clearly not a wacko in that she’s a Democrat. Her actions represent reasonable and effect methods to effect change without being disrespectful to anyone.

MYTH 3. The US has a liberal media.

TRUTH:
When polled, all of the media correspondents identified themselves as ‘centrist’. Clearly they are all centrists and none of them lie, except the NY Times.

Further, there is no liberal MSM. The fact that the MSM is owned by a handful of corporations proves this. This can be seen when we see stars like Susan Sarandon or Martin Sheen standing behind legitimate protestors like Cindy Sheehan in a bipartisan protest of the war. And why the #1 and #2 grossing ‘documentaries’ were produced by a man who is clearly not a wacko and not a liberal. Fair and balanced is the domain of liberal networks that hire token conservatives.

MYTH 4. The US doesnt need improvement compared to other countries; it is the greatest country in the world.

TRUTH:
All conservatives believe the US is perfect. Only liberals can see fault with our nation and only liberals have the divine knowledge to make us #1 in every category.

MYTH 5: The US government loves to help other countries.

TRUTH:
Only the US government is motivated by interest rather than altruism. Other countries donate a much greater share of their GDP (which was likely built or rebuilt with their labor not American dollars). This is the only measure to which we should hold our good nature, % GDP. Not actual dollars or areas that have benefitted or benefitted vicariously, not intervening against genocide, not innovation and management, just % GDP. If only the US could do for say, India and/or China what Denmark has done for Africa or even just the people of Darfur, the world would be a much better place.
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Classic! Love it.

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:

Nothing follows from this except the trivial observation that, in establishing our independence, we decided not to completely overthrow our cultural heritage.[/quote]

Nor did I suggest it did. SSN0 said - no, actually he copied and pasted what someone else said - that the Constitution did not mention, at all, a Deity.

It, in fact, does.

[quote]PGJ wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Secondly, tell me exactly what do you do to ensure the future of America? What do you mean by your above statement and how do you exemplify this?

HA! I’m glad you caught on, yeah if this was school I would definately be expelled and be forced to join the marines. Which I plan on doing so in the next few months to continue freedom, and the spread of Peace.

Seriously, stop avoiding the question.
[/quote]

There is no future for America. Our empire will fall. I say Aid third world countries, because if it wasnt for our military power we would be fucked. They have the will

[quote]ssn0 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
ssn0 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Secondly, tell me exactly what do you do to ensure the future of America? What do you mean by your above statement and how do you exemplify this?

HA! I’m glad you caught on, yeah if this was school I would definately be expelled and be forced to join the marines. Which I plan on doing so in the next few months to continue freedom, and the spread of Peace.

Seriously, stop avoiding the question.

There is no future for America. Our empire will fall. I say Aid third world countries, because if it wasnt for our military power we would be fucked. They have the will
[/quote]

Typical lefty answer. Same thing just happened on the other thread about honoring the troops. I give you a chance to present some ideas and solutions and you (and the rest of the lefty’s) come back with crap like this. Just admit that you don’t have any ideas, just a long list of complaints.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:

Nothing follows from this except the trivial observation that, in establishing our independence, we decided not to completely overthrow our cultural heritage.

Nor did I suggest it did. SSN0 said - no, actually he copied and pasted what someone else said - that the Constitution did not mention, at all, a Deity.

It, in fact, does.

[/quote]

Wrong. The bottom line is we are no a Christian nation and the reason we have so many different Protestant denominations is a testament to our seperation of church and state.

Once we go down the slippery slope of being a Christian nation then the next question is which form of Christianity is ‘right’ form of Christianity.

History has shown that this will happen.

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:

Nothing follows from this except the trivial observation that, in establishing our independence, we decided not to completely overthrow our cultural heritage.

Nor did I suggest it did. SSN0 said - no, actually he copied and pasted what someone else said - that the Constitution did not mention, at all, a Deity.

It, in fact, does.

Wrong. The bottom line is we are no a Christian nation and the reason we have so many different Protestant denominations is a testament to our seperation of church and state.

Once we go down the slippery slope of being a Christian nation then the next question is which form of Christianity is ‘right’ form of Christianity.

History has shown that this will happen.[/quote]

In a nutshell: English Christian fled England because of the mandatory participation/membership in the Church of England, which was created and lead by King Henry VIII simply so he could get a divorce (the Catholic Church refused his divorce). There was a state mandated religion in England at this time. Many English Christians refused to participate because of Christian differences. They left and started their own nation, under God. This about the time of the Protestant Reformation. Basically Catholicism ruled Europe in a very real and political way. COE broke away and further alienated some Christians. So they left with the hope of finding a new place to worship a Christian God without state mandates. These were not Muslims or Wiccans or Athiests. These were Christians. Virtually every governmental document contained some reference to God and every meeting opened with a prayer. Why is this so difficult to understand?