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Top 100 NFL Players of 2011


I'm curious as to who all you would put at number 1. Outside of that just a general discussion of the show is fine.

I guess it depends how you look at it. If it goes by which player has the biggest effect on his team winning I'd say Peyton Manning is the best. If you look at it as who plays their position better than anyone else I'd say Darelle Revis. He is head and shoulders above everyone else. He can take any one player completly out of the game, and nearly shut down half the field. He is phenomenal. Unfortunatly i hate colts and don't much care for the jets either haha.

I hope to see my man Le'ron Mcclain on there. FB is such an underrated position and he's easily the best at the position. I doubt he'll be on it but think he deserves a spot.


If you are judging on 40 times, I think half of T-Nation has a good shot.

Otherwise ill take manning.


Joe Montana.


Champ Bailey > Darrelle Revis. I may be biased because I am Bronco's fan, but I think he is better. Did you see the front seven on the Broncos? Horrendous, but yet Bailey still could cover.


Current? Pat Willis.

All time? See DBCooper's answer.


Who is voting? players? If the players voted I think they would say Peyton Manning.


Bulshit. They'd all say Brady. He's got four things that every player plays for, whereas Manning only has one. Three rings and Gisele. Also, I know Tully Banta-Cain fairly well and I've had the opportunity to hang out with him and a couple other guys in the NFL and they all would take Brady over any other QB, and Tully is the only one who actually played with him. The other players were Kevan Barlow (total fag) and a couple no-names who aren't in the league anymore.


Haha love it Cooper.

I also think they'd go with Brady over Manning. Winning is winning and at the highest level there is only one thing that matters in that regard, rings.


Damnt DB I thought you could read, I dont care what Montana thinks he could do with those fucked up elevator shoes he did not play last year.


Good lord DJ, that av precious, yer gay now lol!


I think Ray Lewis will be the highest rated defender, I don't agree with it but I can see it happening.


Hahahahahaha over the next month I need to find a sure fire bet that I can beat fighting fires with so he can have this Avi in a few months. Any suggestions.

Also the fag in my Avi will be #1 but who the hells knows it could be Manning.


Oh, in that case let me reiterate my stance.

Joe Montana.


You are like a retard on a drum set arent you. SO DB who was the better Football player of all time Montana or Rice?


Montana, hands down. Rice is the second or third greatest of all-time. Montana's #1 because he's the best to ever play the most important position in sports.


DB portrait lol...


This person disagrees with you. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-7505804

Also here too. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2152421

Not listed on this sports writer all time team. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/dreamteams/08/13/alltime/


To the OP, hey what do you think of Leron Mclain, think he is a good player?


http://contributor.yahoo.com/user/313402/kofi_bofah.html And who is this guy?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2152421 Now that is a respectable panel
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/dreamteams/08/13/alltime/ Peter King is a respectable writer but he is just that a writer

I still say Rice myself but DB has a point that is valid also.


Sportswriters are the scum of the journalism world, so anything they say has absolutely ZERO import. They're failed athletes at best, and many of them were never athletes at all. It's like pointing to Roger Ebert as the definitive authority on the greatest movies of all-time.

I don't know how anyone could argue that Montana isn't the greatest of all-time, unless Jerry Rice, Walter Payton and perhaps LT enter the conversation. Those are my top four of all-time, and after Montana, you can't go wrong with the other three no matter what order you put them in.

But Montana was different. I posted a lot of stats and comparisons to other great QBs in the NFL thread a while back and I'll quickly recap them here, along with my reasoning. You see, the bottom line is that players play for Super Bowl titles. In the NFL, with only 16 games and with the outcomes of those games squarely in the hands of the QB more than any other player, the way a QB plays in big games is THE most important aspect of measuring the all-time greats against one another. To me, there are only a handful of QBs who belong in the GOAT category: Johnny Unitas, Favre, Manning, Brady, Starr, Elway and maybe Marino. And Joe of course.

The measure of a great player in any sport is their ability to elevate their game above and beyond where they normally play at for the big games. Joe's record in big games, his Super Bowl performances, his postseason passer rating and the four rings on his fingers speak volumes. In this respect, the only QB who has performed at a comparable level in the postseason is Bart Starr, which is why I would place Starr in the second spot on the Greatest QB of All-Time list. Regular season records and stats mean nothing when we compare the greats; they ALL had great regular seasons year in, year out. But they all play to get to the postseason, so postseason performance is the only appropriate arbiter when we examine the great QBs. In this respect, Montana virtually has no peers. There are a few QBs who have higher Super Bowl ratings and so forth, but none of them could hold Montana's jock and I don't think any of them have more than one ring. Kurt Warner is the first that comes to mind.

So given this criteria, coupled with the fact that the QB position IS the most important in football, I can't imagine any sort of valid argument that would place anyone other than Montana, or at least another QB, at the top of the GOAT list.

One other piece of food for thought: Jerry Rice is the only Hall of Famer who ever played significantly with Montana on offense.


I'm a Patriots fan and I say Revis, he is the best player in the NFL.
People can argue best QB, can argue best pass rusher, best running back
no one argues best corner