Too Old to Face Justice?

Do you ever feel its acceptable that someone can pass the age to stand up for the crimes they commit? If this man is too feeble to stand trial could maybe his kids be tried instead? Failing that maybe his grand children or great grand children?

Are you serious about the children and grandchildren thing?

Germany must be a pretty peaceful place if they had to go back 7 decades to find something to charge someone over. Good for them.

“As he walked away from the car, they fired at least four shots into him, including into the back of his head, killing him instantly. They said he was shot while trying to escape.”

I’d buy it.

[quote]steven alex wrote:

Do you ever feel its acceptable that someone can pass the age to stand up for the crimes they commit? If this man is too feeble to stand trial could maybe his kids be tried instead? Failing that maybe his grand children or great grand children?[/quote]

I’ve got a better idea; Let’s round up the whole family, have them collectively dig their own communal grave, and shoot them into it.

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:

Do you ever feel its acceptable that someone can pass the age to stand up for the crimes they commit? If this man is too feeble to stand trial could maybe his kids be tried instead? Failing that maybe his grand children or great grand children?[/quote]

I’ve got a better idea; Let’s round up the whole family, have them collectively dig their own communal grave, and shoot them into it. [/quote]

That will teach them not to behave like Nazis.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:

Do you ever feel its acceptable that someone can pass the age to stand up for the crimes they commit? If this man is too feeble to stand trial could maybe his kids be tried instead? Failing that maybe his grand children or great grand children?[/quote]

I’ve got a better idea; Let’s round up the whole family, have them collectively dig their own communal grave, and shoot them into it. [/quote]

That will teach them not to behave like Nazis.[/quote]

They probably have evil Nazi genes in them anyways. Better not to take chances.

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
Are you serious about the children and grandchildren thing?[/quote]

I would hope not, but a white child born yesterday will still be punished for slavery(even if his or her family didn’t come to America until 1870), so the precedent is there.

Additionally, what crime did the man commit? It seems the murder was approved of by the state at the time, which would mean this man is on trial for violating an ex post facto law. That’s nice.

So… this guy was a member of an occupying army, and he shot a civilian because he suspected him of being an insurgent.

And he is being prosecuted as a war criminal for this, by the country who recruited him, sixty years after the fact.

Interesting.

You say that as if you think Countries are static and don’t evolve.

A simply stated ‘‘occupying army"? Seriously?
This wasn’t just an ‘‘Army’’ these were fuckin’ NAZI’s…’‘occupying" is that WE do…The fuckin’ Nazi’s were
led by a guy who was evil incarnate.
They did a just a little more than just ‘‘occupy’’.

Thank goodness Germany’s done such a 180’ that’s even the IMAGE of Adolph Hitler
in public anywhere is illegal…you sound like the very generation people that recruited
this fuck is the same generation that’s prosecuting him now…Germany’s changed, or haven’t
you noticed?

BTW, We’ve changed too…you know slavery’s been abolished here and women can vote
now…And don’t get me started on China, there was a point where a great chunk of their population
was so hooked on fuckin’ opium it still makes U.S.'s drug problem of the last 40 years pale by comparison.


Grey Poupon Dijon, that’s the kind of mustard you are.

More pretense than substance, you are almost certainly old and gray; you show up and poop on a thread but add nothing to the discussion; most of your opinions belong in de john; and your comments are tinged with white whine.

You’re what Headhunter would be if he ever had a catastrophic brain injury that left him angry and semi-coherent, but still able to use the Internet.

In short, you are a sad, simple, silly little man.

I suppose I would pity you, if I cared.

[quote]Karado wrote:
You say that as if you think Countries are static and don’t evolve.

A simply stated ‘‘occupying army"? Seriously?
This wasn’t just an ‘‘Army’’ these were fuckin’ NAZI’s…’‘occupying" is that WE do…The fuckin’ Nazi’s were
led by a guy who was evil incarnate.
They did a just a little more than just ‘‘occupy’’.

Thank goodness Germany’s done such a 180’ that’s even the IMAGE of Adolph Hitler
in public anywhere is illegal…you sound like the very generation people that recruited
this fuck is the same generation that’s prosecuting him now…Germany’s changed, or haven’t
you noticed?

BTW, We’ve changed too…you know slavery’s been abolished here and women can vote
now…And don’t get me started on China, there was a point where a great chunk of their population
was so hooked on fuckin’ opium it still makes U.S.'s drug problem of the last 40 years pale by comparison.

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Not a big fan of the rule of law, huh?

Which rule of law is that? Is there a statute of limitations for any Nazi war crime?
Eliminate that Diaper wearing, Viagra taking, Nonagenerian Nazi.
Fuck the Nazis…I FART in their general direction, their mothers were Hamsters, and their
Fathers smelled like Elderberries!
Thank you Monty Python.

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:

Do you ever feel its acceptable that someone can pass the age to stand up for the crimes they commit? If this man is too feeble to stand trial could maybe his kids be tried instead? Failing that maybe his grand children or great grand children?[/quote]

I’ve got a better idea; Let’s round up the whole family, have them collectively dig their own communal grave, and shoot them into it. [/quote]

That will teach them not to behave like Nazis.[/quote]

They probably have evil Nazi genes in them anyways. Better not to take chances.[/quote]

MFW the mods edit my joke, removing the part about not wanting to let more jews die, but leave in the part about killing this man’s whole family because they probably have “Nazi Genes”.

Can’t tell if mods are raging anti-semites, or raging zionists…

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
So… this guy was a member of an occupying army, and he shot a civilian because he suspected him of being an insurgent.

And he is being prosecuted as a war criminal for this, by the country who recruited him, sixty years after the fact.

Interesting.

[/quote]

One occupying army never tried its criminals, and its country takes 70 years to find one among them?
Another army takes 1 year.


A young man in Belgium attempted to sabotage a coal train bound for Germany. Because he was not a Jew, he was not killed immediately, but was sent without trial to Dachau where he became the orderly in the typhus ward, where he was expected to live but a few weeks. He did not die of it.

60 years after liberation, as he descended into dementia, he would initially address me in French, and later in servile German, reminding me with each visit of his tenure in the typhus ward. I would sign his German issue coupons, which provided a pittance of “reparation” for the suffering he endured.

No one was prosecuted then, or now, for the crime committed against him and hundreds of others.

Sgt. Bales was tried for a greater crime, and because a thousand sergeants were never brought to justice.

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:

Do you ever feel its acceptable that someone can pass the age to stand up for the crimes they commit? If this man is too feeble to stand trial could maybe his kids be tried instead? Failing that maybe his grand children or great grand children?[/quote]

I’ve got a better idea; Let’s round up the whole family, have them collectively dig their own communal grave, and shoot them into it. [/quote]

That will teach them not to behave like Nazis.[/quote]

They probably have evil Nazi genes in them anyways. Better not to take chances.[/quote]

MFW the mods edit my joke joke, removing the part about not wanting to let more jews die, but leave in the part about killing this man’s whole family because they probably have “Nazi Genes”.

Can’t tell if mods are raging anti-semites, or raging zionists…[/quote]

Well it certainly seems that you have freely made your own choice.

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:

Do you ever feel its acceptable that someone can pass the age to stand up for the crimes they commit? If this man is too feeble to stand trial could maybe his kids be tried instead? Failing that maybe his grand children or great grand children?[/quote]

I’ve got a better idea; Let’s round up the whole family, have them collectively dig their own communal grave, and shoot them into it. [/quote]

That will teach them not to behave like Nazis.[/quote]

They probably have evil Nazi genes in them anyways. Better not to take chances.[/quote]

MFW the mods edit my joke joke, removing the part about not wanting to let more jews die, but leave in the part about killing this man’s whole family because they probably have “Nazi Genes”.

Can’t tell if mods are raging anti-semites, or raging zionists…[/quote]

Well it certainly seems that you have freely made your own choice.
[/quote]

I don’t know what you’re trying to say.

[quote]Karado wrote:
Which rule of law is that? Is there a statute of limitations for any Nazi war crime?
Eliminate that Diaper wearing, Viagra taking, Nonagenerian Nazi.
Fuck the Nazis…I FART in their general direction, their mothers were Hamsters, and their
Fathers smelled like Elderberries!
Thank you Monty Python.
[/quote]

I may be misunderstanding what happened here, but it seems he was acting on the part of the government at that time. That would mean what he did was not illegal. It is wrong to punish someone for a legal act. Ex post facto laws are prohibited by this country’s constitution for a reason.

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

One occupying army never tried its criminals, and its country takes 70 years to find one among them? [/quote]

You have to admit, they didn’t exactly make it easy for Germany to find them after the war. The ones who didn’t make it to South America were busy designing weapons and teaching torture techniques in the Soviet Union and United States.

I tend to think that whereas the majority of war criminals tried after the Second World War were obeying what were at the time lawful orders, it is likely the case that Sgt. Bales was following his own initiative when murdering civilians.

One wonders why Bales was singled out for prosecution. Were his crimes that much more egregious? Was he one of the only ones to confess? Was the evidence against him such that it couldn’t be swept under a rug? Was he specifically ordered NOT to kill those particular civilians and he disobeyed the order?

Or are there in fact thousands of Sergeants Bales, whose crimes are well known, and in fact may not even be “crimes”, but simply cases of “following orders”, which for all me know was what Bales was doing?

Cold it be that Bales and the one or two like him are simply the goats, whose mission it is to carry the iniquities of an entire army, and indeed an entire nation?

No indeed. Nor colonels, generals, congressmen or presidents.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

One occupying army never tried its criminals, and its country takes 70 years to find one among them? [/quote]

You have to admit, they didn’t exactly make it easy for Germany to find them after the war. The ones who didn’t make it to South America were busy designing weapons and teaching torture techniques in the Soviet Union and United States.

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I admit no such thing. During the War, were there trials for Nazis committing war crimes? Very few, and none of note.
The Federal Republic was independent in 1949 and charged with finding and prosecuting its war criminals, and…

No, that was the defense of those few that were tried. Justice Jackson, among many others, disagreed strongly.
And excuse me, but what “lawful” order–or self-initiative–legitimizes machine-gunning people in ravines in Ukraine and Belarus?

So. By magnifying a contemporary political judgment one diminishes the judgment of history?
No. It is the obligation of the accuser to prove his case.

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
Are you serious about the children and grandchildren thing?[/quote]
Er no, that was a joke