How long had you been off before this cycle?
When you start, the action is same day, next day…?[/quote]
About a month and a half.
The two times I have felt the effects, it was about two or three days into the cycle. The effects lasted a couple days after the cycle.
On another forum I frequent, a bodybuilding/HRT guy said that it works by lowering SGBH, thereby raising free test. He takes 900-1500mg a day to supplement his HRT dosage. I could not find out if he cycled or not.
He cited the book “Building the Perfect Beast” by Author L Rea, R.S. as where he first learned about Tongkat Ali.
I tracked the book down on the net and tongkat ali is dealt with in a section called SHBG Control: How To Elevate Free Testosterone Levels … Naturally!
For what it is worth here’s the quote:
[quote]Eurycoma Longifolia lack: AKA Long Jack
Tongkat Ali (Eurycoma longifolia jack) is a small tree found in the jungles
throughout Malaysia and Southeat Asia. It is commonly known as Tongkat Ali in Malaysia and Singapore, Piak or Tung Saw in Thailand, and Pasak Bumi in Indonesia.
The tree can grow up to about 12 meters in height. Natives consider every part of the tree as medicine. Tongkat AM is used as a tonic, to treat malaria, and as an aphrodisiac.
There have been quite a few studies with this plant. The effects of eurycoma
were studied on the libido of sexually inexperienced male rats after dosing them with 200, 400 and 800 mg/kg body weight twice daily for 10 days.
Results showed that eurycoma produced a dose-dependent increase in mounting frequency of the treated animals. Further studies also showed that eurycoma promoted the growth of both ventral prostate and seminal vesicles. (Human studies showed the response at much lower dosages).
Use Them At The End
Human studies have shown a fairly rapid decrease in SHBG and an increase in both total and free testosterone during relatively short-term use of this product. My personal experience has been that post-cycle SHBG elevation is quickly brought into a more effectual range. Naturally an interesting side effect is the fairly common increase in libido and erectile function. (Ya, got to love that one)
By beginning use of these products during the last active week of any AAS
phase, Frank and other beasts realized that an increase in free testosterone was available to maintain post-cycle results and over ride cortisol and SHBG. 21-30 days use usually was enough to make a notable difference. And to be honest, it was just plain healthy.[/quote]