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Toes Lifting on Deadlift

So I go to video my triumphant pr of 405 today, and I fail. Grip started to go at the top. Not a big deal grip felt off today even at lower weights. However, when I review the video, I notice my toes come of the ground near the top of the lift. That can’t be right. Anyone else have that problem? What is the.cause? Will post a video later when I have time to upload it.

[quote]Tony Manifold wrote:
So I go to video my triumphant pr of 405 today, and I fail. Grip started to go at the top. Not a big deal grip felt off today even at lower weights. However, when I review the video, I notice my toes come of the ground near the top of the lift. That can’t be right. Anyone else have that problem? What is the.cause? Will post a video later when I have time to upload it.[/quote]

This might sound corny - but are you sure? Isn’t it perhaps a deformation in your shoes? Like, was there an actual gap between your toes and the floor visible, or was it a conclusion you drew from movement you saw at your shoes?

Because I think the natural reaction would be tipping over, or overcompensating with your lower back (= pain) if you carry a weight that is > your bw without your feet balanced on the floor.

Does your back hurt abnormally?

[quote]Kardash wrote:

[quote]Tony Manifold wrote:
So I go to video my triumphant pr of 405 today, and I fail. Grip started to go at the top. Not a big deal grip felt off today even at lower weights. However, when I review the video, I notice my toes come of the ground near the top of the lift. That can’t be right. Anyone else have that problem? What is the.cause? Will post a video later when I have time to upload it.[/quote]

This might sound corny - but are you sure? Isn’t it perhaps a deformation in your shoes? Like, was there an actual gap between your toes and the floor visible, or was it a conclusion you drew from movement you saw at your shoes?

Because I think the natural reaction would be tipping over, or overcompensating with your lower back (= pain) if you carry a weight that is > your bw without your feet balanced on the floor.

Does your back hurt abnormally?[/quote]

It was a clear lifting of the toes as I rocked back on my heels. If I haven’t lost my camera, I will post the video, My back felt fine, in fact the lift felt good except for my hand starting to slip. I may do this everytime I deadlift for all I know, I have just never videoed myself.

[quote]Kardash wrote:

[quote]Tony Manifold wrote:
So I go to video my triumphant pr of 405 today, and I fail. Grip started to go at the top. Not a big deal grip felt off today even at lower weights. However, when I review the video, I notice my toes come of the ground near the top of the lift. That can’t be right. Anyone else have that problem? What is the.cause? Will post a video later when I have time to upload it.[/quote]

This might sound corny - but are you sure? Isn’t it perhaps a deformation in your shoes? Like, was there an actual gap between your toes and the floor visible, or was it a conclusion you drew from movement you saw at your shoes?

Because I think the natural reaction would be tipping over, or overcompensating with your lower back (= pain) if you carry a weight that is > your bw without your feet balanced on the floor.

Does your back hurt abnormally?[/quote]

It was a clear lifting of the toes as I rocked back on my heels. If I haven’t lost my camera, I will post the video, My back felt fine, in fact the lift felt good except for my hand starting to slip. I may do this everytime I deadlift for all I know, I have just never videoed myself.

Simple answer is… don’t rock back onto your heels.

I’ve only done this once myself… and I fell/dropped the bar. sometimes it happens on accident. Stop the habit. Drive through your whole foot.

The weight distribution is supposed to be on your heels. I don’t think you have a problem.

#3: http://www.elitefts.com/documents/ten_things_dizenzo.htm

Found my camera. I had left it at the gym :o

Here is the video. the right foot is the culprit. Terrible angle but it shows the foot issue. It could be from me trying to save the lift. I will video my next one to if I do it again.

Maybe the shoe is what’s causing it. Perhaps you are trying to pull the weight onto your heels which is fine, but the softness of the sole is causing you to sink in throwing you back even farther? Just a theory, but try deadlifting in socks or something and see if it’s still a problem.

May also be possible that you are trying to lock the weight out with your back by pulling back more rather than squeezing your glutes and pushing your hips through.

I personally think I see a problem in your technique. If you watch the very initiation of the lift, you will see the first thing to happen is your hips drop super far back. This can and often is a good idea, but in order to do that you need to keep the bar as your leverage to keep you from fallign backwards. Watch Tuscherer pull, that is what he does. But what happens wioth you, is you drop the hips too far back then the bar drifts back and the center of the weight is behin your heels as the bar crosses the knees! So no wonder you tip backwards!

[quote]GruntOrama wrote:
May also be possible that you are trying to lock the weight out with your back by pulling back more rather than squeezing your glutes and pushing your hips through.[/quote]

I am by no means a pro - but I think GruntOrama is right. I think biomech-wise there isn’t really another explanation.

[quote]arramzy wrote:
I personally think I see a problem in your technique. If you watch the very initiation of the lift, you will see the first thing to happen is your hips drop super far back. This can and often is a good idea, but in order to do that you need to keep the bar as your leverage to keep you from fallign backwards. Watch Tuscherer pull, that is what he does. But what happens wioth you, is you drop the hips too far back then the bar drifts back and the center of the weight is behin your heels as the bar crosses the knees! So no wonder you tip backwards![/quote]

I think you nailed it. I can totally see that. I will have to video some sub-maximal attempts to see if I do it all the time. How would one fix that particular error?

[quote]Tony Manifold wrote:

[quote]arramzy wrote:
I personally think I see a problem in your technique. If you watch the very initiation of the lift, you will see the first thing to happen is your hips drop super far back. This can and often is a good idea, but in order to do that you need to keep the bar as your leverage to keep you from fallign backwards. Watch Tuscherer pull, that is what he does. But what happens wioth you, is you drop the hips too far back then the bar drifts back and the center of the weight is behin your heels as the bar crosses the knees! So no wonder you tip backwards![/quote]

I think you nailed it. I can totally see that. I will have to video some sub-maximal attempts to see if I do it all the time. How would one fix that particular error?[/quote]

Perhaps keeping your should on the bar (not over it) might fix the problem. Also, focus more on the legpush+hip thrust instead of trying to jerk the weight with your arms+lowerback.

Somebody once gave me a great advice: don’t focus on pulling the bar, instead, think of pushing away the earth.

I’d ditch the shoes and pull barefoot or in socks.

I’d also use only round plates. Those hex ones are horrible and really hard to set up with; they could actually be causing your bar path issues.