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To Juice or Not To Juice

Hi people. I’ve got a question which im oping you havent heard before - ive checked the entire site and found nothing.

Im 21 years old and think i have messed up.
Ive been training seriously for 4 years and naturally until last year, when, like an idiot i decided i wanted to ‘play’ with AAS.

I began a course of winstrol @ 50mg ED for 6 weeks, and followed it with novaldex @ 40mg a day for 3 weeks, and 20mg a day for 2. I made good gains during this cycle (strength) and felt great after the pct had ran its course. So i thought, great, i know it all! Ill try something better.

So, being still nervous of what little i had read, as reguards sides etc i tried turanabol @60mg a day for 6 weeks and the same pct except with clomid this time.

During this time i brought a house and things got crazy so my diet may have been a little out but not too much and i still made reasonable gains - around 8lbs and plenty of strength. Problem is, i dont think i have ever recovered properly from that cycle. My sex drive has been down ever since, obviously lost the strength, followed by the weight, and then my metabolism clocked up 10 fold for some reason and i got really ripped - sounds great but then muslce started dissapearing.

Sorry about the long background info - my question is this, i know my natural test is still low, i have clawed back 10lbs of weight eating around 8000kcal a day - which is making me ill - is there anything i can do to try and bring back natural test - even around 6 months after cycle?

Please dont flame me - i admit ive been a dick.
Thanks in advance

Just wanted to add, my diet is 40 40 20 (carbs, protein and fat) i eat good carbs, proteins, fats etc, not much in the way of sugar except fruit and plenty of green veg.

I lift 4-5 days a week hitting every body part once. The one thing i do not do anymore is squat, i built up to a 300lb squat while natural! genetically good legs i think, and then poor style for more weight injured my hip which seems to go again anytime i squat, so i stick to heavy leg press and v light lunges.

Im 6ft 1 and weigh in now at 13st having dropped from 14st to 12st 4lbs. Cheers

[quote]protein_power wrote:
Just wanted to add, my diet is 40 40 20 (carbs, protein and fat) i eat good carbs, proteins, fats etc, not much in the way of sugar except fruit and plenty of green veg.

I lift 4-5 days a week hitting every body part once. The one thing i do not do anymore is squat, i built up to a 300lb squat while natural! genetically good legs i think, and then poor style for more weight injured my hip which seems to go again anytime i squat, so i stick to heavy leg press and v light lunges.

Im 6ft 1 and weigh in now at 13st having dropped from 14st to 12st 4lbs. Cheers[/quote]

Well, if your ‘stones’ are now working properly, what’s the worry? If your natural test level is low, try 250 IU of HCG EOD and get tested.

C’mon, you’re 21. Use HCG to bring yourself up to par and be happy.

I love steroids so leave some for us old guys! ;D

you weigh 182 pounds and eat 8000 Kcal a day?

lol. 8000kcal give or take for 5 and a half weeks now has increased my bodyweight by 10lbs! it sounds stupid and it is stupid, my metabolism is completly out of whack for some reason. Trouble is, eating that amount of food is not good for me and, and is making me feel ill, but if i drop the kcal my body eight will drop.

Cheers for the suggestion about HCG, from what little i know about it though, it does not restore natural test production?? im probably wrong. Ill book to see my doctor for the tests and start researching HCG. Thanks guys

Please stop calling it “juice.” This isn’t 9th grade.

Its very unlikely that your natural test levels are still low due to an OT cycle 6 months ago.

I would suggest going to doctor if you are truly having to eat that many calories to maintain your weight.

[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Its very unlikely that your natural test levels are still low due to an OT cycle 6 months ago.

I would suggest going to doctor if you are truly having to eat that many calories to maintain your weight.[/quote]

Personally I would suggest calling in the priest I think its gone past medical assistance
:slight_smile:

It wouldn’t be uncommon to think something in his philiology triggered some type of glandular problem. Although being you, OP, I wouldn’t jump to conclusions that you automatically have low T just because your libido is down. And yes, as LillGuy mentioned, this was 6 months ago. Get some blood work done.

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I like the whole “i built up to a 300lb squat while natural! genetically good legs i think”. WTF is that? You’re kidding right?!?!