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Tired of Opposite POVs on Fasted Cardio


#1

Hi.

Some pro-competitors say that fasted cardio is GOOD and you don't loose muscle tissue.

Others like Christian Thibadeau say that fasted cardio is horrible.


I mean, who should we listen to?

And let me add, that this doesn't only happen in fasted cardio, it happens in everything! everyobody giving different opinions!.

/sigh

Thanks for reading


#2

Yes... there are different perspectives and paths to the same and different goals.

A good rule of thumb is that, as a beginner, stay away from extremes.


#3

Pick SOMETHING. Try it out. If it works, keep doing it until it doesn't. If it doesn't work, stop doing it and do something else until it works. Once it stops working, do something else.

Do this for like 10 years and you'll have a pretty good handle on things.


#4

You are looking for The Truth. Unfortunately, no one can say with certainty what that is. So like the rest of us, you are going to have to come to your own conclusions regarding this (and every other) training topic.

I would offer the following recommendation: When evaluating training advice/info, be sure to take into account whether the source is 'assisted.' The metabolism of someone on AAS differs markedly from that of someone who is not, and this allows an assisted trainee to successfully employ diet/training strategies that would prove deleterious for a natty. Not intended as a criticism of AAS use; just an observation.

My opinion: Fasted LISS cardio is not a problem re muscle loss; fasted HIIT might be. (I am unassisted.)


#5

I've heard some caveats from proponents of fasted cardio. I've heard its only beneficial in the morning when cortisol is high anyway and FFA's are available to burn, and only to do low intensity (basically walking). I've also heard that BCAA's during the activity will help you keep your muscle.

Go by how you feel though. If you do fasted HIIT and feel like absolute shit afterwards and have trouble recovering from it might not be a good idea. Some people might have a unique capacity to handle it and consequently they advocate it, but it might not work for you


#6

Thanks for the POV.

Now, how shall I know I am loosing muscle?


#7

I would say bodyfat measurements, photos and a tape measure would be your best tools in that regard.


#8

You should listen to yourself based on the results you've discovered through trial and error. After more than six years of training, you should have stumbled onto at least a few things that work for you and your body. Have you done any serious cardio or fat loss phases since you started training?

But as was said, the fact is you'll find differing opinions from credible sources on every topic, in the fitness world and outside of it. Some chefs make meatballs with just beef, some use beef and pork. Some lifters swear by the bench press for pec size, some say avoid it. Some people say don't use steroids if you're 6' tall and 180 pounds (ahem), some say YOLO. At the end of the day, you decide what to try and what not to and you decide what to keep and what to toss based on results.

But more on topic, fasted cardio was popular for so many years and was successfully used by many people (competitors and recreational lifters) that it'd be silly to flat-out say "it doesn't work." But it's just one application of one tool in the toolbox.

Want more of a headtrip? Here's a Roundtable article from 2005 with several coaches discussing fasted cardio. Thib himself lists some pros and cons:
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_interviews/the_fasted_cardio_roundtable

Contrast that with this article from just a few months ago, where Thib lists mostly cons to fasted morning cardio:
http://www.T-Nation.com/training/fasted-cardio-eats-muscle

Is he arguing with himself? Did the method itself somehow change? Did he evolve his professional opinion based on the experiences he witnessed with clients? Sure seems like a head-scratcher, huh? It's almost like there really is no one single correct answer to apply to everyone.