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Time to Get Back at This

Sup T-Nation,

Long story short, I found myself much more accountable for diet/workouts when I keep a log on here and am going to do that once again.

Back story, fat my whole life, now I’m not fat, but not lean. Mid september 2007 I was 218.6 (That number still haunts me) at 39.3% BF at 5’10 1/2. I’m currently 172 and had my bodyfat tested today by a student at the gym and had reading of 9% on calipers and 19.5% on the underwater weighing, although I held a shoe up for the caliper readings and believe that helped me a little bit. It’s safe to say I’m somewhere in between there and honestly do not care too much about the number, just how I look.

Goals: Diet down to a visible six pack, then get as big as my genetics will let me go. My dad was a bodybuilder/competitive lifter so hopefully genetics will let me be massive and I can draw on his knowledge and trial and error for quite a bit of things. In 2 years or so or when I’m ready, I’d like to compete in a powerlifting competition as I’ve recently fell in love with the deadlift and squat.

I’ll post bi-weekly pictures, measurements. Daily workouts and diet log.

Diet: 1500 on off days and 1800 on lifting days, mainly chicken, eggs, veggies, fish oil, flax seeds, and Metabolic Drive.

Supplements: HOT-ROX, BCAAs (I love these), ZMA, Resveratrol, CLA, Creatine along with some Vitamin D. If you don’t take around 10 tablets (About 1000 IUs each) of vitamin D a day, start doing it. I’ve yet to catch an illness while taking them and thats been around 7 months now, supposed to cut down on cancer risk greatly as well.

Workouts: Undecided currently, I just got done doing 5-7 sets of 3-5 reps on 3 day split for 4 weeks so gonna try something different than that. My roommate is a gymnast (strong little fuckers) and did a 10x10 workout with him yesterday that has me fried today. I’m gonna get the workout off of him today and take a look at it, supposedly work each body part twice a week, once for 10x10 and once for 5x5 except for legs which get squats and deadlifts for both of those. Using compound lifts when possible (Bench press, clean and press, dips, pullups etc). If I can keep up with the volume on this diet then I’ll probably try that.

So once again, I’d like to be lean for one time in my life and then get enormous.

back

side

Waist- 34.75"

Maxs

Bench - 240
Deadlift - 335 (Just started working on this one, I’m gonna try to hit 400 by the end of june)
Squat - 315

1.) i dont belive your lifts because it looks like youve never lifted a day in your life.

2.) eating 1500 calories a day is just rediculous

3.) why the hell are you cutting when you are 170 lbs of nothing>?

1.) Come down and lift with me
2.) This is a start, I’ll adjust as I see how I feel and this will go up (keep going up 100 calories per day each week until I stop losing fat) I’m not entirely sure what my maintance levels are and need to figure that out.
3.) I’ve got to be 170 pounds of something right?

I’m aware I’m weak and flat, I’ve ALWAYS been obese and want to let that go before I try to put weight on. This is not optimal nor do I think it is, this is just for me to let go of that past life. I’ve also only been lifting for about 8 months now, I don’t expect to be big.

Give a kid a break, we all have to start somewhere right?

I think what he’s saying is he doesn’t think you should be cutting. The not believing the lifts thing is kind of ridiculous, I’ve seen guys “smaller” than you snatch 120kg.

honestly I agree re: the cutting though. Yeah you got a little pudge but you are pretty trim man.

I got down to 183 at 6"1 myself and couldn’t see all of my abs or anything, but made a decision I am very glad about now to lift big and eat clean and exercise a lot instead of dieting myself into oblivion. I look better now than when I was lighter, and I feel so much healthier- and when I cut down a little I’m sure I will look so much better.

When was the last time you focused on building muscle and strength while eating clean to slowly put on mass? Maybe the time is now?

I’ll tell you before anyone else does, you aren’t gonna put 70 pounds on your deadlift in 2 months without some insane genetics and serious eating.

good luck with whatever you decide to do

-Jeff

I’m open to feedback, if the overwhelming response is I need to try to build muscle and strength I’ll follow.

Are you gonna turn 21 in time for the series Jeff?

My only comment is are a lot leaner than the last time I looked at pictures of you. GJ.

I think that if you continue cutting you’re going to be very disappointed with your body, at least I wouldn’t be. Cutting fat is a walk in the park once youve built a good muscle base. I think that if you don’t use your time now to start building yourself up, later you’re going to wish you had.

let’s work on lifting weights before we start any of that bulking/cutting shenanigans. i also call bullshit on your lifts, but i don’t really care if you can lift that or not, the point is that you don’t look like you can.

and even if you can put up 240 with a pathetic looking chest, no one is going to care unless you look the part. like defekt said, you need to build up an aesthetic foundation before you should start worrying about the finer aspects of bodybuilding.

Fuck it then, I’ll go to Sams’ tomorrow.

I would DEFINITELY gain if I were you. You are not that overweight to begin with, with a little muscle memory/beginner gains you will look fine.

[quote]Higgins wrote:
I’m open to feedback, if the overwhelming response is I need to try to build muscle and strength I’ll follow.

Are you gonna turn 21 in time for the series Jeff?[/quote]

nah, will be for December. I might go to LV anyway with a fake or friends ID, maybe I’ll see you there

enjoy loading up on that meat and fish. From personal experience, I’d be careful and eat really clean and slowely up the intensity of workouts to start, I kind of shocked my body into gaining some fat back by badly beating it up while increasing my intake too much

I’d say do what you really want to do. You’ll most likely be disappointed with what you’ve got when you’re done dieting, but then again, doesn’t that happen to everyone? I’d also ask a few girls whose opinions you respect what they think you should do (bulk or cut).

Now me personally, if I were you and didn’t have any athletic endeavors that required a certain weight, I’d bulk sensibly.

Also, I believe your lifts. Maybe not the bench, but the DL and squat don’t seem like a far cry from what your body looks like it could accomplish.

Don’t do something just because a bunch of dudes on an internet forum tell you to do so. Who are you really doing this for? Yourself? Chicks? Strange dudes?

Regardless of what you decide to do you’ll have my support.

-dizzle

[quote]A-Dizz wrote:

Also, I believe your lifts. Maybe not the bench, but the DL and squat don’t seem like a far cry from what your body looks like it could accomplish.

-dizzle[/quote]

How can you believe his dead and squat if you can’t see his legs?-sure his back looks as though it could support the claimed weight, but hamstrings play a much larger role in the deadlift than the back.

Dude, your thread is godsend for me.

I have almost the same exact bodyshape you have. I have been confused lately because I’ve been dieting (basically starved myself, the genius that I am)

Just now, about 20 mins ago, I looked at myself in the mirror and knew I did it all wrong. I should be eating and trying to put on muscle, not starving myself. NO wonder I still look pudgy like you after so long! And little muscle!

I will now eat and lift. And not starve myself. I needto build muscle.

Thanks T-Nation. Help this guy out because it would be abig help for me to read all the advice here.

and since someone bumped my thread I made some time ago (just saw it on front page), here’s what I got:

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2051442

Alright well T-Nation made a place for this just in time.

Diet yesterday was half low-cal half eat my brains out on meat and veggies. I was 175 lbs today which should take into account stomach content and water retention etc so we will start out at that.

I’m getting ready to go lift here in a minute, I’ll post diet at the end of the night and training whenever I have time to throughout the day.

I’m trying to get over the psychological effects of not wanting to lose weight anymore, it’s odd. Every goal I’ve had in the past 8-9 months has been weightloss related but I suppose it’s time to move on.

I’m going to use Joel Marion’s stripped down hypertrophy program for 3-6 weeks depending on how I feel on it. http://www.T-Nation.com/article/bodybuilding/stripped_down_hypertrophy&cr=bodybuilding It is 5 full body workouts a week. Whenever I dose higher on BCAAs I am almost always 100% the next day so I should be able to get through this.

[quote]Higgins wrote:
I’m going to use Joel Marion’s stripped down hypertrophy program for 3-6 weeks depending on how I feel on it. http://www.T-Nation.com/article/bodybuilding/stripped_down_hypertrophy&cr=bodybuilding It is 5 full body workouts a week. Whenever I dose higher on BCAAs I am almost always 100% the next day so I should be able to get through this.[/quote]

I think that I am going to follow this thread out of pure interest. You seem to have some drive and I’d like to watch a good transformation.

BCAA’s are awesome, but you should never feel 100% the day after a training session, especially if it was a fully body session. If you do, it means that you’re not giving it your all in the gym.

Soreness + proper nutrition = hypertrophy