[quote]bond james bond wrote:
I always felt that Presence never got it’s due. Achillies Last Stand is my favorite Zepp song by far. The drumming on that track is what I like most about it.
I maintain that Achilles was the prototype template for thrash metal. Obviously not as heavy, but dynamic with so many transitions, but not in the typical ‘prog’ fashion. It just keeps moving like a train. The main riff, the half-time section, the solo sections, and especially the ‘proto-mosh’ around 6:40, then the 12 string outtro. You can almost hear that outtro as a Metallica INTRO with a slow solo on top (think Fade to Black).
Ahead of its time for what '76 or '77?
Iron Dwarf: I’m from the school of Zeppelin and Sabbath brought about heavy metal together but independently. They both came at it from a different angle and subsequent generations were born of the mash-- like Zep/Sab were the original parents and everything else born from those. Like Reese’s peanut butter cup “you dropped your chocolate in my peanut butter-- no! you got your peanut butter on my chocolate!” Like Leibnitz and Newton both independently ‘invented’ Calculus…
I would further argue that “Communication Breakdown” was around before Sab and lets face it, some modern metal isn’t much of a leap from Communication Breakdown.
I read an interview with John Paul Jones and he was talking about the late 70’s when the Punk movement was at the top and declaring Led Zeppelin as dead dinosaurs, etc. He made the point that all that punk music was essentially rooted in riffing “Communication Breakdown” that was 10 years previous. They’d already set the foundations for punk.
The lip-synch is pretty funny, but just imagine these guys with mohawks and piercings and smashing their guitars after this. Not too much of a leap…