[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
People act like standard BBing splits do not have Overhead Press,Squats,Deadlifts,Bench Press or that you can’t learn those movements while you doing a BB split.
You guys make it seem you will only learn those movements if you do a program like Starting Strength. Which makes no fucking sense. You can spend your time learning all of those movements in a standard BB split.
And wouldn’t that lead to more progress because in the realm of BB you need the volume/frequency which starting strenght does not adequately give that.[/quote]
yeah, people act like BBing routines can’t have basic barbell movements in it.
I think barbell movements are great for putting mass on, all over the place… They are great for beginners who are weak all over
But in reality progression on lifts (which doesn’t have to be Barbell) is all that matters.
"Successful lifters, bodybuilders, and strength athletes all have one thing in common: their training is based around six or seven basic barbell movements, and the variables that are manipulated are volume, intensity, and rest, not the number of exercises.
Because there aren’t very many exercises that can actually be trained."
yeah so many Pro BBers using barbells, lol
and “aren’t many exercises that can actually be trained”. Wtf? I can’t track progression when I’m using a smith machine? Thats news to me
Rippetoes arguments are like “Rant against incompetent scrawny wimp guys who don’t have a clue, rant against P90x and Crossfit, stereotype everyone as not tracking lifts or caring about progression, try to sell shitty strength program to bodybuilders”
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If you are referring to his last article, you should re-read. You missed the point completely. Does he “attack” certain training programs? yes. That’s his style. Don’t like it, don’t read it.
You and Rip have something in common. You both agree that SS is not for BB’ers.
Is SS the best of the best program? Nope, but re-read bluecolar’s post.
Also, GOMAD is recommended by a lot of trainers. Well, the big ones anyways that concentrate on strength. Wendler even recommends baby wipes if you are lactose intolerant as it will get messy… Yeah.
He has a philosophy, he sticks with it and he gets results. It is not “he is wrong”. It is “I do not agree with him and would love to sit face to face so I can explain my views and convert him to mine…” Again, yeah…