[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I suppose ultimately it depends on the value placed on muscle size and strength. I personally just find it silly that some one would be so vain, not an attack, that they would honestly risk wrecking their bodies to get a few more inches or 50 more lbs. when their efforts don’t take them anywhere other than in front of their own mirror. It’s not like they have to be the biggest man on the line, have the best bicep peak to win a sponsorship et cetera. [/quote]
You also don’t need the biggest house, the flashiest car, or the latest outfit. These are vanities…but these are vanities that people partake in daily and glorify.
The attention to bodybuilding as if that is more shallow than spending money on shiny rims makes no sense at all.
Vain? yes. What the hell is wrong with that?
No offense, but someone could make that argument about any of us who have built ourselves to any point that would be considered extreme whether they used steroids or not. I don’t NEED 20" arms to do my job.
Luckily my job does not define me.
Your stance is one of those who has never been all that big and never actually lived the lifestyle.
I LOVE making changes in my physique and weight lifting. It is something I am passionate about. I wouldn’t expect a normal person to understand why I’m still working on muscle mass. They thought I was big 2 years after I started.
Now, I know you are aiming that st steroid users, but again, most of the risks you probably think you know about are likely not completely true…and many of these top pros do go to doctors regularly…so what is the issue?
Bodybuilders…the guys who are the real gym rats…are not normal and never have been.
They also usually don’t want to be.[/quote]
I hear what you are saying but it still boils down to risk vs. reward, I would lump bodybuilders in the category that steroid use can manifest an outcome with meaning in competition. We don’t disagree.[/quote]
Do you drink, smoke, or do recreational drugs such as coke?
I’d say the risk vs reward is significantly higher for those who do these, than for the average steroid user.
[/quote]I would say let’s place qualifiable values on rewards. Listen, I’m not bashing. To each his own value. Just keep that in mind and I’m happy to have a real debate.
I like apples.[/quote]
Cocaine high vs. extra inch on arms = debateable reward value.
Metered hit vs. injecting thousands of times more testosterone than natural in your body with no labwork, no monitered bio-feedback loops (correct terminology?) and no way to meet potential side effects head on until they are happening = greater safety for cocaine.[/quote]
Are you talking use or abuse, HG? Because i’m just speaking of the average user of either.
The average test cycle wouldn’t typically have very many side effects and the ones that do pop up, are generally mild.
How many people have died from a test overdose?
If we are discussing moderate use, how many people have died from a cocaine overdose?
Worst case a nose bleed in moderation.
Steroids, who knows. Nobody, if not doctor administered and monitored. And that is the problem. Each individual has a slightly different physiology and what may be just fine for one can absolutely cause bitch tits and baldness for another, even in moderation.
Actual medical folk feel free to weigh in.
Balls to the wall use both are horrible but the cocaine will be more fun for sure.
Cocaine overdose = a ton, I have taken care of 22 year olds with Heart Attacks from Cocaine.
Test Overdose = serious gyno, acne, and itty bitty balls
We use cocaine in the medical field in hospitals, liquid cocaine is used to vasoconstrict the blood vessels, however it is not prescribed for someone for home use.
Test is prescribed for home use, because it has been deemed safe enough to be set home.[/quote]
I am a little amazed at the risk of acne being compared to the risk of instant heart attack and death from cocaine.
Seriously, for anyone to hold that stance, it means you know so little about the subject you should just keep quiet.[/quote]
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