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Third Cycle Advice - Dec


#1

Hey guys,

Been spending the last couple of weeks thinking about my next cycle and what compounds to use.
I have done 2 so far, the last one being Test E - 500mg per week with Dbol front loader for 4 weeks.
I finished my last cycle mid July. Was on for 10 weeks. Ran my PCT and have been off cycle now for 11 weeks.
The Test E worked great and made some solid gains.
The dbol blew me up but lost a lot of the water retention.

Pre cycle was 84kgs.
Was 94kgs at the end of cycle. After PCT had dropped to 91. Been dieting every since and down to 88 now and leaned out to around 12% BF - still feel like I need to drop more mainly the stubborn fat on my stomach.

Strength wise I have actually improved most of my lifts AFTER cycle - just been working hard and set up a new routine - push, pull, legs - rest.

Quick Stats:
25 Years Old
Lifting since I was 19. Properly for 4 years though. First 2 was very much bro science.
Bf: 12-13%
Lifts:
Squat: 180kgs
Bench: 150kgs
Deadlifts: 185kgs (I know I need to improve this - mainly grip limiting me)

Okay so for the next cycle this is what I am torn between.
I am not looking for anything stronger than the test because IMO it worked VERY well.
But torn between what compound to stack it with.

My Main AIM for this cycle:
Put on LEAN body mass for summer. Loved the effects of dbol but hated looking so swell. Want to put on lean mass and keep it.

Options:
Anavar
Winny
Superdrol
Anapolin (Anadrol)

The first 2 I have read are very safe compounds, not as strong as other options however been told only to use them if my bf is below 10 which its not. Plus anavar is a bit expensive.

Option 3 - Superdrol probably the one that excites me the most because its a dry compound and helps put on lean mass. Side effects though seem very rough and I was prone to side effects on my last cycle - still recovering from the backne scars.

Option 4 - Heard great things but again its a wet compound so will blow me up like dbol. Plus a lot of the comments on it seem to be you lose ALOT of what you gain.

Before I start posting cycle plans I would like your opinion on which of the 4 would be the most recommended for what I am trying to achieve.
I thoroughly believe in doing my homework first and not just taking what the big guy at the gym said worked for him (which ironically was Tbol last week and Anapolin this week).

Thank you,


#2

Everybody wants to only add lean body mass so this is irrelevent unless you add some parameters. Your assessment of the orals seems accurate, although I have not tried all of them. You might do well with a dbol/anavar combo. They work well together and you wouldn’t have to take as much dbol. Also sounds like you need to learn to use an AI if you are having that much problems with bloating.

Also, delete your other thread. No need for two of these.


#3

I’d just increase the test dose. Go to 750mg, keep the 4 week dianabol kicker.

Leave the other shit alone for now


#4

Thanks for all your advice. What do you think of Masteron stacked with Test - and maybe Var if budget allows?


#5

[quote]Newbie101 wrote:
Thanks for all your advice. What do you think of Masteron stacked with Test - and maybe Var if budget allows?[/quote]

Yogi is right. Keep it simple. Stop trying to make it more complicated than it needs to be.


#6

Thanks for all your advice. Decided to go the Simpler route with test. But did want to try some Winny at the end as going away to the beach at the end of Feb which should be nearer to the end of my cycle.

Cycle A:
So at the moment it looks like this:

Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg/day
Week 1-12 Test E 250mg E3D
Week 9-12 Winny 50mg ED
Week 12-14 2 week break
Week 14-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20mg ED

Cycle B:

Week 1-12 Test E 250mg E3D
Week 9-12 Winny 50mg ED
Week 12-14 2 week break
Week 14-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20mg ED

I have 3 Questions:

  1. I have DBol blue hearts left over from my last cycle that’s why I put in into Cycle A but I am not the biggest fan of Dbol’s bloating effects - makes me feel real chunky and I have dieted myself down to a comfortable weight. Was thinking of using it just as a kickstarter or reckon I am better off without?

  2. Is Adex necessary?
    If so can I run it like this:
    W 1-12 Adex 0.25mg EOD (reduce to 0.125mg EOD in last week)

  3. PCT - I know a lot of people say Nolva - my last PCT was Nolva 40/40/20/20 but what about running BOTH Nolva and Clomid?

Week 1: 60mg Nolvadex / 100mg Clomid
Weeks 2-4: 40mg Nolvadex / 50mg Clomid

Or
2 week break and:
Week 14-18 40mg Nolvadex / 50mg Clomid

I would recommend simply running 50mg Clomid ED for 4 weeks, beginnig 2 weeks after the last Test E pin.


#7

Do not take large doses or stacks of SERMs.