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Third Blood Test After Cycle and Concerned

Ok everyone. I have gone through three different lab tests from my first cycle. I ran a 10 week cycle tHat looked like this:

Test p wk 1-2 50mg Ed
Test E wk 1-10 250mg x2 weekly
Tren a wk 7-10 50mg Ed
Winny oil inj. Wk 7-10 100mg daily
Hcg wk 1-10 250 x3 MWF

Cycle started June and ended on August 14. 2012. I did not start PCT which was minimal until October 16 and ended October 26. I ran Clomid at 50mg a day for 11 days only. LiBido was solid until mid to end September then crash. Hence the reason I started PCT in October. I know it was late but after running Clomid for 11 days I took the last pill October 26 and did first bloods October 27. Do to the clomidmthe labs were skewed see results below:

Testosterone serum 964ng/dl
LH 17.5miu/ml
FSH 16.8miu/ml
Estradiol 23.2pg/ml

No prolactin or progesterone was tested. No libido and it sucked.

Second blood test on November 8. 2012 about 12 after previous test. Still think Clomid was lingering and the results were as follows:

Testosterone serum 1049ng/dl increase of 85ng/dl (odd)
LH 20.6miu/ml increase of 3.8miu/ml
FSH 16.4miu/ml decrease of .4miu/ml
Estradiol 45.6pg/ml increase of 22.4pg/ml ( doubled wonder why)
Prolactin 6.5ng/ml (first time testing )

I still have no libido and for the increases seems odd. Wondering if I am recovering and how to interpret what is going on.

I have been taking for around 1 week :

P5P (200mg daily)
Vitamin e (400iu daily)
Zinc (100mg daily)
DAA (3G daily)
L-arginine (1000mg daily)

I am a worry wort but needing to gain my libido back is important. I know everyone here can understand and appreciate my worry. I hope these threads are information for future individuals looking use AAS.

Now my third test that is now 29 days clomid free. My numbers are elevated so looking for advice on how to lower everything back to normal and increase libido again.

Third set of Labs (Will show increase or decrease from prior set):

Third labs set 11/8/12

Testosterone serum 1026ng/dl decrease of 23ng/dl (Heading in the right direction?)
LH 25.6miu/ml increase of 5miu/ml ( Whats going on?)
FSH 19miu/ml increase of 2.6miu/ml (Odd isn’t it?)
Estradiol 85.2pg/ml increase of 39.6/ml ( Doubled for a second time??)
Prolactin 9.8ng/ml increase of 3.3ng/ml(Increased hmm)
Progesterone 1.3ng/ml ( Did not test before Doc Iron Recommended)

So whats the verdict guys what should I do to get back to normal and get libido back? Does this tell you why libido is dead by my results?

You seem to be experiencing some sort of estrogen rebound after discontinuing the SERM. This usually is just bro-science and this is the first time I have actually seen it confirmed with blood work. Interesting.

Even more interesting is that your high estrogen doesn’t seem to be inhibiting your HPTA feedback as usually seems to be the case (high E lowers T).

Really would have been awesome if you had blood work from before your cycle to see where you were at then, but guess that ship has sailed.

Are you fat at all? Did you run an AI on your cycle and forget to list it?

If I were in your shoes, I would do two things:
-Get an AI and dose it normally (1 mg/week or so for Adex, 25 mg/week or so for Aromasin)
-Perform a testicular self exam (google this) to make sure you are free of lumps. Certain testicular tumors can secrete LH/FSH

Run the AI for a few weeks (4 should be adequate) and see if your libido improves in that time. After 4 weeks, get bloodwork done again. if LH/FSH are still elevated, you may need a CAT scan for a pituitary andenoma (benign gonadotropin secreting tumor on your pituitary gland).

So what is better Adex or aromasin? What should the protocol be broken down to for either Ed,eod, e3d and so on. No lumps So 4 weeks on AI and then wait another 4 weeks to do blood work for 8 weeks total? Need to get the libido in check. No clue why everything is so high? Can the tren metabolites be causing this or what?

All help is appreciated.

Bye I am 5’11 and 215lbs about

Exemestane (Aromasin) 12.5mg EOD

Run for 3 weeks, test again, you should see a mild T increase, a pronounced E2 drop and a mild PrL drop.

Also from the psychological aspect, make yourself horny. Look at titties or whatever gets you off for 5 minutes every morning. Think sexual.

No homo,
-PTD

I would definitely get that E under control and see what happens

Exemestane(aromasin) per adex? Am I wrong aromasin kills libido?

[quote]Xnvseal wrote:
Ok everyone. I have gone through three different lab tests from my first cycle. I ran a 10 week cycle tHat looked like this:

Test p wk 1-2 50mg Ed
Test E wk 1-10 250mg x2 weekly
Tren a wk 7-10 50mg Ed
Winny oil inj. Wk 7-10 100mg daily
Hcg wk 1-10 250 x3 MWF

Cycle started June and ended on August 14. 2012. I did not start PCT which was minimal until October 16 and ended October 26. I ran Clomid at 50mg a day for 11 days only. LiBido was solid until mid to end September then crash. Hence the reason I started PCT in October. I know it was late but after running Clomid for 11 days I took the last pill October 26 and did first bloods October 27. Do to the clomidmthe labs were skewed see results below:

Testosterone serum 964ng/dl
LH 17.5miu/ml
FSH 16.8miu/ml
Estradiol 23.2pg/ml

No prolactin or progesterone was tested. No libido and it sucked.

Second blood test on November 8. 2012 about 12 after previous test. Still think Clomid was lingering and the results were as follows:

Testosterone serum 1049ng/dl increase of 85ng/dl (odd)
LH 20.6miu/ml increase of 3.8miu/ml
FSH 16.4miu/ml decrease of .4miu/ml
Estradiol 45.6pg/ml increase of 22.4pg/ml ( doubled wonder why)
Prolactin 6.5ng/ml (first time testing )

I still have no libido and for the increases seems odd. Wondering if I am recovering and how to interpret what is going on.

I have been taking for around 1 week :

P5P (200mg daily)
Vitamin e (400iu daily)
Zinc (100mg daily)
DAA (3G daily)
L-arginine (1000mg daily)

I am a worry wort but needing to gain my libido back is important. I know everyone here can understand and appreciate my worry. I hope these threads are information for future individuals looking use AAS.

Now my third test that is now 29 days clomid free. My numbers are elevated so looking for advice on how to lower everything back to normal and increase libido again.

Third set of Labs (Will show increase or decrease from prior set):

Third labs set 11/8/12

Testosterone serum 1026ng/dl decrease of 23ng/dl (Heading in the right direction?)
LH 25.6miu/ml increase of 5miu/ml ( Whats going on?)
FSH 19miu/ml increase of 2.6miu/ml (Odd isn’t it?)
Estradiol 85.2pg/ml increase of 39.6/ml ( Doubled for a second time??)
Prolactin 9.8ng/ml increase of 3.3ng/ml(Increased hmm)
Progesterone 1.3ng/ml ( Did not test before Doc Iron Recommended)

So whats the verdict guys what should I do to get back to normal and get libido back? Does this tell you why libido is dead by my results?[/quote]

The reason the 2nd tests are scrambled is the lack of test.your homostasis is in flux,as a result of your t droping.The other hormones like estrogen rise,as things are inconsistent.The best would be first not to panic.The hi e i have read can make your libo decrease.Did you use a estrogen blocker while on your cycle.

I think that time will be the best ingredient.I was on for 3-year’s and stopped 6-weeks ago to get reassessed by a new dr.My sex drive is low,but that’s to be expected.We are off the extra test.You can use viagra it will work ed wise,but the desire/libido will return in time,or when you returnto the test.Brother the dr. told me that i will think negative due to the lower test,but he assured me if my t doesant return,it’s because it’s biologically low.I.e.trt/hrt. goodluck john

[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
Exemestane (Aromasin) 12.5mg EOD

Run for 3 weeks, test again, you should see a mild T increase, a pronounced E2 drop and a mild PrL drop.

Also from the psychological aspect, make yourself horny. Look at titties or whatever gets you off for 5 minutes every morning. Think sexual.

No homo,
-PTD [/quote]
I totally agree with looking a Titie’s,also a Lap=dance 3x per-week. Dave i think when we go-off cycle,subconsciusly we develop a fear of E.D. and sexually think negative.

John

I appreciate it. The Viagra and cialis do nothing with no drive. It’s not necessarily Ed I just don’t want it.

What other remedies can you give me ? Look at the labs and type of cycle. No AI used

Aromasin doesn’t kill libido it is an AI so that will help lower your E2 levels. High estrogen can decrease libido so look into an AI, like Dave and balla said run it for 3-4 weeks get more labs and see how you feel

Should I just let the body adjust on its own or take an AI? If I take an AI after I stop usage will my numbers to back up?

You can let your body recover on its own it might take some time.

If you take an AI and at the end taper off slowly you can prevent estrogen rebound. Dave recommend aromasin because its a suicidal AI.

So buds what do you recommend protocol wise and dosage with taper

Adex .25mg EOD for 3 weeks then in the 4th week taper Down to .125mg EOD

Aromasin (which I would prefer) 12.5 EOD for 3 weeks then taper down in the 4th week

After this get more blood work and also take note on how you feel and how your libido is. Just sayin here but do you have a Gf? A study lay? Because I find when I’m going through pct I don’t really have much of a libido but can still get hard right away, what im trying to get to is maybe you need some physical stimulation from another person to get that drive back, you know what in sayin?

I have been married for 3 months this just started 1 1/2 moths ago. Physical stimulation does not help she tried to low me and I was not having it. But part could be mental too. I opened the iPad yesterday turned on some porn and was able to get hard and nut. So no idea what’s going on.

Buds how do you taper aromasin down can you give me a schedule?

In the 4th week taper down to 6.25mg EOD, probably unnecessary but I’m a fan of tapering things

[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:
Exemestane (Aromasin) 12.5mg EOD

Run for 3 weeks, test again, you should see a mild T increase, a pronounced E2 drop and a mild PrL drop.

Also from the psychological aspect, make yourself horny. Look at titties or whatever gets you off for 5 minutes every morning. Think sexual.

No homo,
-PTD [/quote]

I think sexual every time I see your avatar.

Well SOMEBODY had to say it!