I wonder for if this approach can be successful for bodybuilding. It doesn’t seem to address stimulation for all the muscles to have a balanced pleasing physique (side/rear delts, bi’s/tri’s ect)
What do you guys think about this set up?
1)Incline tilt 2)High pull +some lat work 3)Decline tilt 4) Front squat + Rows 5) Delts (side/rear) + Arms
Well, I’ve got a lot of thoughts on this because I’ve been thinking almost non-stop about this system. I can tell this is going to be a novel length post so I apologize in advance. 1) I believe that Thib’s system can be used very effectively for bodybuilding, provided a few prerequisites are observed:
Thib will adapt a BASE system to whatever needs the client wants. And a lot of people like to doubt it until the results come in. Case in point–Darryl Gee used a completely and utterly unconventional training system from CT to come into the 202 Olympia and Take 2nd. He gained 10 lbs of stage muscle DURING THE PREP while doing all kinds of athletic movements and prowler pushing, sled dragging, and a bunch of shit nobody thought could possibly work for a bodybuilder let alone an Olympia contender. I remember a lot of people on other sites and even here were saying how the whole 16 workouts a week, no treadmill cardio, sled dragging, thing was just not “how its done”…until he showed up in stellar condition and 10 lbs heavier and kicked serious ass.
Even Prof X, who’s one of the single biggest “do what bodybuilders do in ages past to get huge” guy admitted how hard and effective it was after he showed up in Boot Camp to train in a style completely different from what he and a bunch of other bodybuilders and strong dudes train. No offense meant to X, I like the guy a lot and he knows training and also has a lot of respect for CT–just saying. Lots of people didn’t like it. Just like lots of people will say this can never work for competitive bodybuilding either. They were wrong then, they will be wrong now too.
NOW–that being said–CT adapts his system to specific needs like any stellar coach. The “athletic split” that Darryl Gee used was fundamentally the same as what he was explaining in the spills to us all back then, but Darryl was doing a number of things that he didn’t tell us to do, or recommended something different to people asking question, precisely because we weren’t doing competitive bodybuilding but some other sport/goal. I wouldn’t call them “details” that changed per se, but CT definitely kept the integrity of his system’s core concepts intact while changing things for sports or disciplines and goals.
What this means is that the current HDL system he is describing in the spills will probably have a couple other elements of it depending on bodybuilding, powerlifting, olympic lifting (He’s already used it with a couple olympic lifters and powerlifters). He HAS NOT said what he would specifically do to target weak points for a competitive bodybuilder. No doubt he has a plan, he just hasn’t said much about how to do it, but THESE ARE THE THINGS WE DO KNOW from him:
He says this is the fastest way to add muscle and density that he has ever found or trained
He says that this has worked with clients from all sports that he has tried it with (football, oly lifting, powerlifting, others)
He says it is ONLY one lift a day (exception being 3-4 sets of lat work after high pulls)
He says that it is designed SPECIFICALLY to work with heavy hardcore peri-workout nutrition, not a basic whey post workout shake. I can personally attest to this point. No comparison at all–marketing hype or not–between whey/carbs, and MAG-10/Surge Workout Fuel or Anaconda. I feel waaay better on the latter and I’ve been doing this long enough to know when something is tried repeatedly it really works. Way less soreness, way more pump, way more recovery. I don’t use a pre-workout NO booster, maybe caffeine or Spike if its a terrible day, so I know that this increase in pump has only one reason because nothing else has changed. That is my peri-workout supp going to MAG-10/Surge Workout Fuel. I’ve always liked Biotest’s stuff, but I’m not a fanboy–I’ve used a lot of other stuff from other companies and liked it. But, this is very noticeable to me. So much so that I have attempted to change my budget to always get the stuff.
So, if something is the fastest way to build dense muscle according to him, I have to think it would be mightily effective for bodybuilding, provided you a) pay attention to #4 and pick the right exercises. Would this shore up aesthetic weak points? Maybe, maybe you need a bit of a tweak. But as far as muscle gain goes, that’s pretty much what bodybuilding is about yeah?
I’ll say this–I’ve done that system for about 2-3 weeks for my bench only. I can already tell a big big difference in look and feel of my pressing muscles–triceps/chest/shoulders. Noticeable. Sitting at my computer, I feel semi-pumped right now. I thought it was kind of a overstatment when CT said that about himself in the spills when he was working on designing it and wouldn’t tell us. Not market-hype mind you, more of a “I’m so excited about what I’m working on I’m giving in to hyperbole” sort of thing. I, for one, notice some of what he is talking about.
I’ll also say this: I am a tricep and shoulder dominant presser. I almost never feel the bench in my pecs. Every single time I have had a HDL session I have felt it big-time in my pecs, and I use a big PL style arch an tucked in elbows. Color me impressed because I’ve never been able to stimulate my pecs from benching–then again for me it wasn’t a huge deal because I was after numbers, not aesthetics. But this is win-win for me.