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Just came across this. Man, what didn’t the founding fathers know?

[quote]wushu_1984 wrote:

Just came across this. Man, what didn’t the founding fathers know?[/quote]

That slavery is an abhorrent act?

…im sry lol, im half black

[quote]SickAbs wrote:
wushu_1984 wrote:

Just came across this. Man, what didn’t the founding fathers know?

That slavery is an abhorrent act?

…im sry lol, im half black[/quote]

ZING!

[quote]SickAbs wrote:
wushu_1984 wrote:

Just came across this. Man, what didn’t the founding fathers know?

That slavery is an abhorrent act?

…im sry lol, im half black[/quote]

haha

and nice avatar btw lol.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
SickAbs wrote:
wushu_1984 wrote:

Just came across this. Man, what didn’t the founding fathers know?

That slavery is an abhorrent act?

…im sry lol, im half black

haha

and nice avatar btw lol.[/quote]

Thx big man…im a sick bastard

“The amalgamation of whites with blacks produces a degradation to which no lover of his country, no lover of excellence in the human character, can innocently consent.” – Thomas Jefferson

Best part is that this quote’s brought up as evidence that Thomas wasn’t a pedophile.

George washington had slaves…

But yes, at least one of the founding fathers knew something about everything.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Best part is that this quote’s brought up as evidence that Thomas wasn’t a pedophile.[/quote]

Yeah, I hate it when a person who has been pumped up to become a legendary, larger-than-life figure turns out to be a pedophile.

Like, imagine if it was found that a heroic figure worshiped by millions had forcibly taken a 9 year-old girl for his wife. Wouldn’t that be horrendous? ;^D

[quote]lixy wrote:
“The amalgamation of whites with blacks produces a degradation to which no lover of his country, no lover of excellence in the human character, can innocently consent.” – Thomas Jefferson

Best part is that this quote’s brought up as evidence that Thomas wasn’t a pedophile.[/quote]

Random, but the first thing that strikes me is how well written/spoken it seems the literate were in the "Victorian Era"ish times.

[quote]SickAbs wrote:
wushu_1984 wrote:

Just came across this. Man, what didn’t the founding fathers know?

That slavery is an abhorrent act?

…im sry lol, im half black[/quote]

…and apparently half stupid. Try looking up John Adams, Alexander Hamilton or Sam Adams to name a few of our founders before blaspheming the greatest generation of men mankind has produced. Maybe take a look at 1790’s Massachusetts where they were paying slave reparations.

re: slavery, I don’t want to hear shit from anyone on here that voted for Obama (not saying you did). Take a look at the GIVE Act before crying about the sins of slavery.

mike

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
SickAbs wrote:
wushu_1984 wrote:

Just came across this. Man, what didn’t the founding fathers know?

That slavery is an abhorrent act?

…im sry lol, im half black

…and apparently half stupid. Try looking up John Adams, Alexander Hamilton or Sam Adams to name a few of our founders before blaspheming the greatest generation of men mankind has produced. Maybe take a look at 1790’s Massachusetts where they were paying slave reparations.

re: slavery, I don’t want to hear shit from anyone on here that voted for Obama (not saying you did). Take a look at the GIVE Act before crying about the sins of slavery.

mike[/quote

nice insult. of course there were some who considered it wrong but did any of them come forth and risk anything for their beliefs? I believe it was lincoln who abolished slavery (all those guys were dead). youre a friggin jackass who thinks they know it all.

crying about the sins of slavery? Take your redneck trailer park trash opinions back to…well, the trailer park

…fuckin kids just coming from history class and think they know anything (and yes im 23 and graduated not too long ago)

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
SickAbs wrote:
wushu_1984 wrote:

Just came across this. Man, what didn’t the founding fathers know?

That slavery is an abhorrent act?

…im sry lol, im half black

…and apparently half stupid. Try looking up John Adams, Alexander Hamilton or Sam Adams to name a few of our founders before blaspheming the greatest generation of men mankind has produced. Maybe take a look at 1790’s Massachusetts where they were paying slave reparations.

[/quote]

Exactly. The American Founding Fathers were unanimous in their opinion that slavery is an abhorrent act.

[quote]SickAbs wrote:
wushu_1984 wrote:

Just came across this. Man, what didn’t the founding fathers know?

That slavery is an abhorrent act?

…im sry lol, im half black[/quote]

Any relation to Thomas Jefferson?

[quote]SickAbs wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
SickAbs wrote:
wushu_1984 wrote:

Just came across this. Man, what didn’t the founding fathers know?

That slavery is an abhorrent act?

…im sry lol, im half black

…and apparently half stupid. Try looking up John Adams, Alexander Hamilton or Sam Adams to name a few of our founders before blaspheming the greatest generation of men mankind has produced. Maybe take a look at 1790’s Massachusetts where they were paying slave reparations.

re: slavery, I don’t want to hear shit from anyone on here that voted for Obama (not saying you did). Take a look at the GIVE Act before crying about the sins of slavery.

mike[/quote

nice insult. of course there were some who considered it wrong but did any of them come forth and risk anything for their beliefs? I believe it was lincoln who abolished slavery (all those guys were dead). youre a friggin jackass who thinks they know it all.

crying about the sins of slavery? Take your redneck trailer park trash opinions back to…well, the trailer park[/quote]

…waiting. Have you glossed over the GIVE Act? And Lincoln only abolished slavery within the Confederacy.

As far as not doing anything for their beliefs what exactly are you expecting them to do? Thomas Paine published essays on the evils of slavery. Alexander Hamilton was the president of the Manumission society. Sam Adams refused a slave as a gift. Washington freed his slaves upon death as his opinion of slavery changed throughout his life; not a particularly popular position in Virginia. Not only did he free them, he provided them with quite a bit of money as well. The Quakers were also outspoken abolitionists.

Jefferson can be chided as a hippocrite, it’s a fair judgement. But he put his neck on the line in talking about slavery as an evil in the DoI. Again, for a Virginian, how popular do you think that was?

Please, wow me with your fine college education. What do you expect them to do and why do you think it’s acceptable to bash the entire founding generation as if they were a hive mind?

mike

Kind of off-topic here, but why is this one of the stereotypes that are acceptable to hold?

I’ve known a shitload of racists, not a single one of them lived in a trailer park.

I’ve also known people who lived in trailer parks. None of them were trash nor, to the best of my knowledge, racist.

Are all rednecks racist, for that matter? I may certainly be wrong, but I thought that the term “redneck” was originally used as an invective for farmers who didn’t own any slaves and, therefore, had sunburned necks from working their own fields.

Ignorance goes both ways, guys. What’s good for the goose, etc. etc.

[quote]SickAbs wrote:
Take your redneck trailer park trash opinions back to…well, the trailer park[/quote]

Wow. This thread took a weird turn.

Whatever about slavery, the founding fathers were a heck of a lot more intelligent than the current occupants of capital hill.

[quote]wushu_1984 wrote:
Wow. This thread took a weird turn.

Whatever about slavery, the founding fathers were a heck of a lot more intelligent than the current occupants of capital hill.[/quote]

x2

[quote]1porsche wrote:
wushu_1984 wrote:
Wow. This thread took a weird turn.

Whatever about slavery, the founding fathers were a heck of a lot more intelligent than the current occupants of capital hill.

x2[/quote]

Yea cuz their problems were just as grandiose as our current ones…

I hate to contribute to making this a thread more suited for PWI,but I just have to chime in. As a person descended from slaves,its easy to talk shit about our founding fathers…for obvious reasons. If anything,the founding fathers could be chastised for not diligently pushing for an end of slavery immediately and playing politics with the issue. Especially when it came to getting Southern states to sign the Constitution.

They were not blind to the fact that slavery had become the economic and political backbone of the country(especially the South) and that ending slavery would be no easy or quick feat. I do feel that there was an overall lapse in judgment of the cultural/moral implications of slavery and its effects on society afterward.

Regardless of their shortcomings and sparse hypocrisy of the issue, you have to give them credit for their actions that eventually led to the ending of slavery. But you could not have expected them to change the hearts of men. And keep in mind that the term “founding fathers” extends beyond presidents and most known figures of our country. With all of that aside,I feel that their words are universal…and worthy of living(and dying) by…no matter what color of skin you are.

Here are some quotes that I found while researching for a school project about slavery:

“My opinion against it (slavery) has always been known… Never in my life did I own a slave.”
-John Adams, Signer of the Declaration of Independence and U.S. President.

“Why keep alive the question of slavery? It is admitted by all to be a great evil.”
-Charles Carroll, Signer of the Declaration of Independence.

“As Congress is now to legislate for our extensive territory lately acquired, I pray to Heaven that they …curse not the inhabitants of those regions, and of the United States in general, with a permission to introduce bondage slavery.”
-John Dickinson, Signer of the Constitution and Governor of Pennsylvania.

“That men should pray and fight for their own freedom and yet keep others in slavery is certainly acting a very inconsistent as well as unjust and perhaps impious part.”
-John Jay, President of Continental Congress, Chief-Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, and Governor of New York.

“Christianity, by introducing into Europe the truest principles of humanity, universal benevolence, and brotherly love, had happily abolished civil slavery. Let us who profess the same religion practice its precepts… by agreeing to this duty.”
-Richard Henry Lee, President of Continental Congress and Signer of the Declaration of Independence.

“It ought to be considered that national crimes can only be and frequently are punished in this world by national punishments; and that the continuance of the slave trade, and thus giving it a national sanction and encouragement, ought to be considered as justly exposing us to the displeasure and vengeance of Him who is equally Lord of all and who views with equal eye the poor African slave and his American master.”
-Luther Martin, Constitutional Convention Delegate.

“Domestic slavery is repugnant to the principles of Christianity… It is rebellion against the authority of a common Father. It is a practical denial of the extent and efficacy of the death of a common Savior. It is an usurpation of the prerogative of the great Sovereign of the universe who has solemnly claimed an exclusive property in the souls of men.”
-Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration of Independence.

“Slavery, or an absolute and unlimited power in the master over life and fortune of the slave, is unauthorized by the common law… The reasons which we sometimes see assigned for the origin and the continuance of slavery appear, when examined to the bottom, to be built upon a false foundation. In the enjoyment of their persons and of their property, the common law protects all.”
-James Wilson, Signer of the Constitution and U.S. Supreme Court Justice.

“It is certainly unlawful to make inroads upon others…and take away their liberty by no better right than superior force.”
-John Witherspoon, Signer of the Declaration of Independence.