[quote]Adamsson wrote:
lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
“That is, getting somewhere, eradicating the locals . . . . and then claiming the land as yours. Any input on that?”
Something like the Muslims did back in 633? Right?
I don’t defend the position of Al-Walid and the others if that’s what you’re referring to. Keep in mind that the conquest of Persia was the exception rather than the rule. Other Islamizations were a lot less violent. Meanwhile, I am not the one inconditionally supporting Israel.
So, I don’t see how your logic works. Is it a “since Muslims did it ten centuries ago, we, and our allies have to do it too” approach? If so, it doesn’t hold much water…
First of all, the expansion of the ottoman empire was everything BUT “less violent”, the myth of the peace loving, peaceful and tolerant muslims from 700-1400 is just that: a myth. The different empires were all imperialistic in nature and expanded with violent means when necessary.
Further: I don’t think you should speak very loud about inconditional support to factions in a conflict. You are very good at the “ofcourse there are two sides yadayadayada”-game, but in reality, you are as one sided as those you accuse…
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It all goes back to the same argument. “Yeah, terrorism isn’t really great, but those damn zionist Jews and Americans do bad things too, so it’s ok to target civilians because Israel and America done bad things too.”
This is real simple, the preponderance of violence in the world today are committed by Muslim extremists. Muslims have allowed these extremists to dictate their ideology and warp their morality. This has earned Islam the disdain of the entire world.
Hell, what do you expect when even a simple cartoon whips crowds in to murderous frenzy’s. Muslims need to clean their own house because nobody else can do it for them. One day, I imagine ,somebody who is influential in Islam is going to stand up and say enough is enough. Justifying the murderous actions of terrorists because Israel is bad or America is bad is nothing but a cheap and lazy cop-out.
The terrorists have kill more Muslims than anyone else, yet they are support by most Muslims. That is the sad part.