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These Cops Are Crazy

The story

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/16/student.stunned.ap/index.html

He had it coming.

Three cops and one skinny student… what ever happend to just carrying him out?

You needed this story to know that LA cops are crazy?

[quote]alownage wrote:
You needed this story to know that LA cops are crazy? [/quote]

Haha, yeah good point. It never ceases to amaze me though.

[quote]Shaved wrote:
Three cops and one skinny student… what ever happend to just carrying him out? [/quote]

What happened to following the rules? He was required to show ID to be in the library at night. The rule is in place for the safety of the students. He refused. He was a smart ass and tried to cause a disturbance. He got lit up. Good.

[quote]doogie wrote:
Shaved wrote:
Three cops and one skinny student… what ever happend to just carrying him out?

What happened to following the rules? He was required to show ID to be in the library at night. The rule is in place for the safety of the students. He refused. He was a smart ass and tried to cause a disturbance. He got lit up. Good.[/quote]

It’s not the cops duty to punish people, it is their duty to arrest you. A cop SHOULD use as little force that is required, but of course using a tazer gun is more fun.

If the cops are so concerend about the safety of the students then why did they… light up a student? Was he hurting someone by lying on the ground?

There was no reason to use the ammount of force that they used. It was an obvious abuse of power.

[quote]doogie wrote:
Shaved wrote:
Three cops and one skinny student… what ever happend to just carrying him out?

What happened to following the rules? He was required to show ID to be in the library at night. The rule is in place for the safety of the students. He refused. He was a smart ass and tried to cause a disturbance. He got lit up. Good.[/quote]

There were much more civilized ways of handling the situation. Much more dangerous people get carried out of bars kicking and screaming at night by cops without getting tasered.

A kid in the library, who is obviously not dangerous get tasered multiple times instead of them picking him up and carrying him out. Its not that hard to not be a prick on a powertrip.

UCLA police officer.

Campus police?

While I’m not a big fan of the overly-litigious culture in this country, I do hope he sues the university.

Campus police, generally, are infinitely worse than regular police cities as far as ego-trip:good person ratio. If I heard it correctly, he said he would leave. I see no evidence of physical resistance. Using a weapon is the last resort, judging by the fact that he looks like a little twirp and there were three “police officers” he could have been escorted out easily.

The protocol for non-violent resistance as far as most real police officers are taught is not what these three jackoffs did.

[quote]doogie wrote:
What happened to following the rules? He was required to show ID to be in the library at night. The rule is in place for the safety of the students. He refused. He was a smart ass and tried to cause a disturbance. He got lit up. Good.[/quote]

There aren’t words to describe the stupidity of this post.

[quote]doogie wrote:
Shaved wrote:
Three cops and one skinny student… what ever happend to just carrying him out?

What happened to following the rules? He was required to show ID to be in the library at night. The rule is in place for the safety of the students. He refused. He was a smart ass and tried to cause a disturbance. He got lit up. Good.[/quote]

The could have dragged his ass out like bouncers do to someone in a club. They didn’t have to physically harm him. He was defenceless. If they didn’t have tasers would it be okay for them to beat him down with their nightsticks?

[quote]Shaved wrote:
Three cops and one skinny student… what ever happend to just carrying him out? [/quote]

Hey police tactics expert,

It can be a lot more dangerous to wrestle with a suspect than employ a less lethal option. The risks are numerous …transmission of disease, injuries to both parties, and it just looks bad.

What ever happened to doing what the fuck you are told to do and just leaving the library because you didnt have the credentials to be there? The police dont have the option to just up and leave when somebody is trespassing.

[quote]Shaved wrote:
doogie wrote:
Shaved wrote:
Three cops and one skinny student… what ever happend to just carrying him out?

What happened to following the rules? He was required to show ID to be in the library at night. The rule is in place for the safety of the students. He refused. He was a smart ass and tried to cause a disturbance. He got lit up. Good.

It’s not the cops duty to punish people, it is their duty to arrest you. A cop SHOULD use as little force that is required, but of course using a tazer gun is more fun.

If the cops are so concerend about the safety of the students then why did they… light up a student? Was he hurting someone by lying on the ground?

There was no reason to use the ammount of force that they used. It was an obvious abuse of power.

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In the 60’s, they would have knocked his stupid ass out with a baton and drug him out of there.

[quote]JD430 wrote:
Shaved wrote:
Three cops and one skinny student… what ever happend to just carrying him out?

Hey police tactics expert,

It can be a lot more dangerous to wrestle with a suspect than employ a less lethal option. The risks are numerous …transmission of disease, injuries to both parties, and it just looks bad.

What ever happened to doing what the fuck you are told to do and just leaving the library because you didnt have the credentials to be there? The police dont have the option to just up and leave when somebody is trespassing.

[/quote]

As the video shows, the student is not resisting or fighting them in any way. He is simply lying on the ground with his hands behind his back, handcuffed. He is not showing a sign of threat, only refusal to leave the library.

[quote]JD430 wrote:
Shaved wrote:
Three cops and one skinny student… what ever happend to just carrying him out?

Hey police tactics expert,

It can be a lot more dangerous to wrestle with a suspect than employ a less lethal option. The risks are numerous …transmission of disease, injuries to both parties, and it just looks bad.

What ever happened to doing what the fuck you are told to do and just leaving the library because you didnt have the credentials to be there? The police dont have the option to just up and leave when somebody is trespassing.

[/quote]

The police have rules to obey as well. That was abuse of their power.

Even only being trained as Security for the Navy, I would have known more than these jack-offs.

Tasers are one level below lethal force. There are other levels below that they could have used safely, to resolve the situation.

They’re lucky the other students were a bunch of cowards and they didn’t have a riot on their hands. THAT would be much more dangerous for EVERYBODY.

I laughed so hard at “here’s your patriot act”. What a dumbass.

Still, the video shows nothing, so it’s impossible to tell who was right.

The kid said, “I’m not fighting you. I said, I — would — leave”.

It sounded like he was leaving and they grabbed him and then tased him. You didn’t hear him resisting anything except them grabbing him. It started off with “don’t touch me”.

Is it normal to be grabbed and escorted out faster as you’re leaving peacefully? He resisted that, obviously, but still, it’s bullshit to grab him as he’s leaving. He doesn’t have to show ID, he can just leave. That’s what he was trying to do, obviously.

[quote]JD430 wrote:

Hey police tactics expert,

It can be a lot more dangerous to wrestle with a suspect than employ a less lethal option. The risks are numerous …transmission of disease, injuries to both parties, and it just looks bad.
[/quote]

Hey, criminal defense attorney,

He was non-violent and said he would leave. As far as going from wrestling with a suspect to using a taser, if that is your chain of progression as far as force is considered then it’s clear you know less than shit about “police tactics.”

This video made me sick to my stomach when I watched it yesterday.

In the version I saw, you could hear them telling him to “get up” after they tasered him… and then tasering him again because he didn’t get up. I would find it difficult to stand after being tasered.

SWR is right that the students were a bunch of cowards. I cannot imagine standing by and not attempting to help someone who is being brutalized in front of me. Having a badge doesn’t give one carte blanche.

The student was an asshole. They tasered him because he said something along the lines of “get your fucking hands off of me,” while not resisting the police. I still think the mob should’ve incapacitated the police and helped him.

I will add that no one in my office (a coworker was playing the video) understood why I felt that a physical reaction from those involved was appropriate. They felt that it should be handled in the courts.

That’s an indicator of something being wrong in our country.

The important thing here is wether they are actually certified police officers, or not. Some colleges don’t have actual police, they have security guards.

Security guards and bouncers are actually allowed to use force more liberally then are police. (wildly enough) If the “police” were not certified officers, then the other students should have bludgeoned the sons o’ bitches.

However, if the officers were actual police, then if the crowd had chose to attack the officers, they would have had some serious charges against them.

Do campus police carry firearms in the USA? I would imagine they do. These “cops” tasered a guy for not getting up…What do you think they would have done to a bunch of people trying to “incapacitate” them?

Sucks, but you can’t go around obstructing police officers because you think they are wrong. I’m not supporting the campus police at all either. That was pretty bullshit from what I could see from that grainy video.

On another note, there seems to be a lot of cop haters on these boards. Stop hatin’.