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There Is No 'Raising T Naturally'


#1

Can we make this clear?

Sorry, high rep squats and eating saturated fats doesn't cut it.


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#2

I agree. Also,no supplements raise it,have tried every single lengthy with one with blood work. You can only increase free T with a supp but not total.

At the end,the only thing that worked was Adex.


#3

What about eliminating things that reduce it? Aromatization happens in fat, doesn’t it? So wouldn’t a side-benefit of the squats be less aromatisation therefore more T? Also, wouldn’t eating saturated fats boost blood cholesterol which is part of the chain of things that becomes T?


#4

[quote]K_ wrote:
What about eliminating things that reduce it? Aromatization happens in fat, doesn’t it? So wouldn’t a side-benefit of the squats be less aromatisation therefore more T? Also, wouldn’t eating saturated fats boost blood cholesterol which is part of the chain of things that becomes T? [/quote]

It pays to stay lean for adequate levels. As for everything else, nothing is going to cure hypogonadism except TRT, HCG, or clomid, just nothing.

And one wouldn’t even get optimal results from exercising without adequate levels in the first place? I have, when I was untreated. Let’s just say it was extremely unpleasant. There’s no pump, you feel like you’re running on empty constantly, and the recovery is abysmal.


#5

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have, when I was untreated. Let’s just say it was extremely unpleasant. There’s no pump, you feel like you’re running on empty constantly, and the recovery is abysmal. [/quote]

How low was your T?


#6

[quote]lemon_ wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have, when I was untreated. Let’s just say it was extremely unpleasant. There’s no pump, you feel like you’re running on empty constantly, and the recovery is abysmal. [/quote]

How low was your T?[/quote]

240 when I was first diagnosed.

I once went down to 113 because I had to get off medication completely for two weeks in order to get new lab values for a new insurance plan. Now that was terrible!


#7

Maybe we should have diabetics stop insulin when changing health plans!


#8

[quote]KSman wrote:
Maybe we should have diabetics stop insulin when changing health plans![/quote]

It is ridiculous. Meanwhile I had documentation from my doc going back to 2002! I had to prove I am still hypogonadal.

Actually, it was almost three weeks without medication because of lab scheduling and work. I felt like I was out of my mind and didn’t have patience for a damn thing! I was tired too.


#9

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

It pays to stay lean for adequate levels. As for everything else, nothing is going to cure hypogonadism except TRT, HCG, or clomid, just nothing.

And one wouldn’t even get optimal results from exercising without adequate levels in the first place? I have, when I was untreated. Let’s just say it was extremely unpleasant. There’s no pump, you feel like you’re running on empty constantly, and the recovery is abysmal. [/quote]

I know what you’re talking about Brickhead. I was 202 when I got myself tested and it sucked, I always felt fatigued and tired even my legs felt heavy. I tried OTC’s but to no avail. I tried the supplements which showed promising results in clinical studies like D-Aspartic acid & ashwagandha, and also products with enough anecdotal evidence behind them like tribulus, megadosed them but nothing happened.

Eventually I went for HPTA restart with Nolvadex and adex and it worked wonders. I was back to normal and felt really great afterwards. I think that things like OTC supplements, high fat diets, maintaining a certain level of leanness and strength work with big compound movements helps you to keep your t-levels up only if your internal system is working optimally otherwise you’re going to get disappointed.


#10

What about Synthroid’s (levothyroxine) effects on testosterone?

Last week my endo Rx’d levothyroxine 25mg QD for a 1-month trial to see if it would increase my testosterone (which was 328 ng/mL).


#11

[quote]Ambitious wrote:
What about Synthroid’s (levothyroxine) effects on testosterone?

Last week my endo Rx’d levothyroxine 25mg QD for a 1-month trial to see if it would increase my testosterone (which was 328 ng/mL).[/quote]

I’m no physician but I think one should give you T if you are hypogonadal. This seems odd.


#12

[quote]jasper41 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

It pays to stay lean for adequate levels. As for everything else, nothing is going to cure hypogonadism except TRT, HCG, or clomid, just nothing.

And one wouldn’t even get optimal results from exercising without adequate levels in the first place? I have, when I was untreated. Let’s just say it was extremely unpleasant. There’s no pump, you feel like you’re running on empty constantly, and the recovery is abysmal. [/quote]

I know what you’re talking about Brickhead. I was 202 when I got myself tested and it sucked, I always felt fatigued and tired even my legs felt heavy. I tried OTC’s but to no avail. I tried the supplements which showed promising results in clinical studies like D-Aspartic acid & ashwagandha, and also products with enough anecdotal evidence behind them like tribulus, megadosed them but nothing happened.

Eventually I went for HPTA restart with Nolvadex and adex and it worked wonders. I was back to normal and felt really great afterwards. I think that things like OTC supplements, high fat diets, maintaining a certain level of leanness and strength work with big compound movements helps you to keep your t-levels up only if your internal system is working optimally otherwise you’re going to get disappointed.[/quote]

It’s great you got fixed up.


#13

[quote]Ambitious wrote:
What about Synthroid’s (levothyroxine) effects on testosterone?

Last week my endo Rx’d levothyroxine 25mg QD for a 1-month trial to see if it would increase my testosterone (which was 328 ng/mL).[/quote]

Well, if hypothyroidism is disrupting your HPTA than it may be wise to fix your thyroid first. But there can be many things you may need to inquire and test if you’re really interested in finding about the root cause of your problem. Read the stickies


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#14

Also I don’t think that synthroid can directly increase your t levels, and that too in one month.


#15

BrickHead:

I’ve searched your posts trying to find what worked for you and what you tried - is there a summary of your “case” that you could link to? I would send you a PM but I can’t for some reason :frowning:

Thanks!


#16

[quote]Ambitious wrote:
BrickHead:

I’ve searched your posts trying to find what worked for you and what you tried - is there a summary of your “case” that you could link to? I would send you a PM but I can’t for some reason :frowning:

Thanks![/quote]

I used Androgel or Testim for 10 grams a day for twelve years. I have been on Testosterone Cypionate for 100 mg per week for the past two years aside from a recent three and a half month stint mono therapy of HCG 9000 IU per week.

I used the HCG in the hopes that it would make me fertile but it did not do the job in getting my T levels to my usual 700’s to 900’s readings.

So now my doc has me on my usual T cup for 100 mg per week and HCG 500 IU twice per week. He suggested I could use even more HCG for mono therapy, but I was not in the mood to get into more trials to see if it would work because this has been a very busy summer. Actually, I wouldn’t want to drag ass at any time of year, whether exceptionally busy or not. The T and HCG combo is great.


#17

Brick,

any idea how the fertility side of things is going now?

I got on TRT in Oct '14, the “standard” protocol for the first 3-4 months, then started pushing the Test up for “dem gainz”…didn’t see much because I was probably too fat and aromatizing much at the time. Tapered and got off everything around April-May for fertility concerns.

I had a blood test in May after 2 weeks back at a normal 100mg/wk dose, still had total T up at almost 1700. I’d guess that somewhere around the 2nd week of June I’d have been back at baseline T levels. Feeling ok, but definitely not as good as on the T and my plan is to put a bun in the oven and probably go back on on e we get past the first trimester. I’ve read it can be anywhere from a few months to a year or more to restore fertility if lost, and my suspicion is that mine was affected, as we had been trying the whole time I was on the T.


#18

[quote]dez6485 wrote:
Brick,

any idea how the fertility side of things is going now? [/quote]

I am unsure how fertility is going and I should get a prescription test soon for a test, but with wedding planning (getting married on Sunday) and all sorts of events going on, I have tended to forget some stuff this summer so far.

[quote]

I got on TRT in Oct '14, the “standard” protocol for the first 3-4 months, then started pushing the Test up for “dem gainz”…didn’t see much because I was probably too fat and aromatizing much at the time. Tapered and got off everything around April-May for fertility concerns. [/quote]

I seriously don’t mean to be a wiseass with this question, but it’s one I ask often: why tamper with medicinal dosages? This is medicine to treat a condition after all. If 100 mg per week works and is what is prescribed, why use more?

[quote]

I had a blood test in May after 2 weeks back at a normal 100mg/wk dose, still had total T up at almost 1700. I’d guess that somewhere around the 2nd week of June I’d have been back at baseline T levels. Feeling ok, but definitely not as good as on the T and my plan is to put a bun in the oven and probably go back on on e we get past the first trimester. I’ve read it can be anywhere from a few months to a year or more to restore fertility if lost, and my suspicion is that mine was affected, as we had been trying the whole time I was on the T.[/quote]

We plan on trying as soon as possible. Like, you know, when the wedding is done, start trying! :slight_smile: All I know is that 100 mg of T per week with 500 IU HCG twice per week has me feeling VERY good and I am unwilling to go back to 9000 IU of HCG per week. I did not feel awful, but as I said in my other thread, I did not feel like myself by the end of the third month and the T level remained in the 400s, not my usual 700s to 900s; I didn’t feel like myself.


#19

“9000 IU of HCG per week” is totally stupid. LH can be too high and E2 uncontrollable as high hCG also desensitizes LH receptors [which you may have experienced]. MORE IS NOT BETTER!

You can do 10mg Nolvadex ED or EOD and check LH/FSH levels after 3 weeks. Nolvadex works just as well as clomid and avoids the nasty estrogenic side effects that some guys get. The LH+FSH will do a lot more for sperm count than hCG. On hCG have you done a sperm analysis?


#20

Brick,

To answer what may have been more of a rhetorical question- “why mess with dose?”…simply, blast and cruise appeals to me. I’ve always had interest in cycling, but never the opportunity real, then it presented itself so I dabbled, but the timing was just wrong. Rather than get deeper into it and perhaps destroy my fertility I decided to pull back and won’t go back on until some stage of pregnancy. Of course if we go a year with no pregnancy, we will need to start investigating further…