The Tactical Life

Totally agree. A high percentage of “oh shit” shootings start single handed just as your muzzle clears leather (or kydex). I would add that people are often back-pedalling in high speed reverse when this happens. This is definitely an area where LE training is woefully inadequate, particularly given how dire a situation that is.

I’d say that even people who train single hand most often train it with the gun punched out and from a stable platform, using the sights, like shooting a single hand stage at an IPSC match. I can manage fairly quick, consistent A zone hits from 7m with either hand in this manner. Of course, that has nothing to do with my ability to shoot from retention, at the hip while moving backward for my life and possibly fighting with my support hand.

Super important and overlooked skill.

Good stuff man. But Danaher with hair is just weird…

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Danaher isn’t wearing a rashguard in that picture either. Looks like a totally different guy!

I am impressed by how completely calm that guy was. No yelling, no anger or machismo posturing. Just stayed out of the situation, then intervened with the lowest level of force he could to get the man down without causing any damage of risking escalation.

This speaks to what I was writing about above, where training melts away the side-effects of fear by allowing you to read the situation better. Your training kicks in and you can take actions that you’ve done before against opponents who are far more capable than your average intoxicated and irrational aggressor. You stay calm because you realize where the potential threats are and only see a guy who is being loud, very rude and posturing up. Just watch those hands at all times…

The subway hero in the video clearly lifted and had some knowledge of grappling. The asshole was just another chump who was being loud, aggressive and scaring the hell out of everyone. A sizable skill advantage on-top of a sizable strength advantage can turn a scary encounter into a routine encounter, especially when placed on top of a sizable experience advantage.

The more you manage to distance yourself from your opponent through strength, fitness, training and gameness, the more man-handling foolish adults becomes akin to controlling children.

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Nice statement and basically sums up everything.

Thought for the day:

As I said yesterday, I believe one handed shooting , drawing from a holster firing with one hand or using your support hand , is one of the most critical skills you can acquire. I find this applies more for LEO’s and civilians than military applications. Although there are many similar techniques, tactics ,and training that cross over from military CQB and the LEO world, one of the major differences in military applications, you rarely go hands on( my experience) and this is something LEO’s do every day.

Controlling suspects usually involves at least one hand, most often two. Just the simple act of escorting a cuffed suspect back to the vehicle requires you place a firm grip on the elbow. Imagine a sudden attack, you will not have time to shove the suspect out of the way and draw and fire from a traditional two handed grip. Same with a civilian escorting their child across a busy intersection, one hand to control the child for a safe approach, if attacked, , you will have to respond with a one handed grip. In real life nothing ever goes according to every plan or every type of training.

Another view:

One-handed shooting may be the most necessary skill no one really teaches or practices.

Self-defense situations have real-world obstacles. People, chairs, tables and lots of other things will be in the way that you must go around, over and through. Doors need to be opened or closed, and items need to be pushed aside when you’re making your way to the exit. Your family will need to be contained, and you may have to carry small children. Hopefully, you can keep your firearm holstered or rifle slung. But you most likely won’t be able to, so one hand will be occupied. You must clear clothing and draw with just one hand, and possibly re-holster your gun similarly. You might have to grab someone by their hand or shirt, or push people out of the way. Just think about it. You might have to cover an exit while holding open a door.

Restaurant kitchens have those hanging plastic curtains that you might have to walk through and cannot see beyond. You will absolutely run into obstacles in such a crisis, and your balance won’t be perfect. You and everyone else in the area will be moving. The threat may be hunting you.

As you can see, everything in the real world conspires to prevent you from obtaining a perfect two-handed grip, stance and sight picture. So, you should practice being able to shoot from less-than-ideal positions with just one hand rather than praying for divine intervention or expecting to “rise to the occasion.” In more than three decades of experience, I’ve found the former is out of your hands, and the latter is pure fantasy.

What You Need for One-Handed Shooting

Your preparation should start by getting a firearm that you can shoot accurately with just one hand. It doesn’t matter whether you use a revolver, a semi-auto handgun, a rifle or even a shotgun—it must work under the least favorable conditions; like when you’re off balance, on the move, can’t get a great stance, etc. You could be seated, on one knee, on the ground behind cover, or walking backwards protecting your family.

Real fights are messy, and itty bitty guns may not work. This is why people are turning to pistols equipped with reflect sights. Six-pound rifles with tons of useless crap are worthless if you can’t hold them up with one hand. Ultra-light ARs, whether they’re pistols or SBRs, also shine here. Keep your gun light so you can carry and use it with just one hand, but not so small that it won’t get the job done in the worst possible conditions.

Perfect Practice

To become accurate with one hand, you need to work on presentations from concealment, aiming, trigger manipulation and getting hits. Single-handed stoppage and reload drills are great, but you’ll have both hands for that, so keep it to a minimum. After you get things down from a static standing position, it’s time to start moving. Shoot from a seated position, on one knee, and around, through and over obstacles. Make sure that your gun works with your carry ammo in these conditions, and that you can keep the gun running.

Grab a pillow, a basketball or something similar and carry it in your support hand while you’re shooting. Load up a suitcase with something heavy and drag it around while you shoot to simulate holding a hand or dragging someone. Then kneel over the pillow or suitcase and shoot as if you’re holding someone down. It might be someone that’s injured or scared, and you need to push them down to keep them out of the line of fire. Set up steel targets and push the object with one hand while shooting, as if to move someone out of the way.

Practice presenting your pistol from a seated position, like on a bench or chair, without covering yourself or others. Do it slowly, quietly and covertly—it’s not about speed. Quick Draw McGraw is a cartoon character; you want surprise on your side. Practice “dry” or with a blue gun, then live. Bring out a table and start behind it. Push it over while staying on target with the other hand. Learn to work around it. Practice transitioning with one hand, then shooting with that same hand. Place your spare magazines so they can be reached with your strong hand. Get creative and stay safe, but figure out how to safely simulate real-world scenarios whenever possible.

Push Yourself

None of this is easy. No one never said it would be. The most useful skill is often the most difficult to learn and practice. Unfortunately, the easiest and most fun practice is often the least useful. We all like to do what’s fun, but we can’t stop there—not if lives are on the line.

Thought for the day: For those interested, from NEWSREP

Who’s more fit–US Marines or Royal Marines Commandos?

For the past few years, select members of the U.S. Marine Corps travel to the U.K. to participate in Royal Marines Commando training. True to the U.S. Marines’ institutional mentality to always adapt and improve, this provides them an opportunity to observe what works and how it can be implemented in the Corps’ physical regimen.

Some U.S. Marines (USMC) were also sent specifically to the Royal Marines’ Physical Training Instructor (PTI) program, a grueling 17-week process that produces combat-ready physical instructors that train the Royal Marines.

The assessment verdict: the British have a regimen far more sustainable and beneficial for the modern warfighter. USMC participants now recommend the Corps’ program focus on muscular endurance and functional fitness oriented toward combat.

In 2016, the USMC also launched the Force Fitness Instructor program, influenced by the PTI concept widespread in Commonwealth countries such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the U.K.

Many experts argue that sheer strength and explosiveness are the ideal physical attributes for contemporary warfighters. Their points of view is informed from countless recent cases of urban warfare scenarios that require high levels of upper body strength–for example, to climb short walls; and explosiveness–for instance, in order to sprint from cover to cover.

On the other hand, there are other experts who argue muscular endurance and agility/mobility are far more important in the modern battlefield. Muscular endurance refers to the capacity of one’s muscles to perform a set task for long periods of time–such as bench-pressing lighter weights for more repetitions instead of doing fewer repetitions with heavier weights. And the saying “Agility/mobility is life” on the battlefield best describes its importance.

Considering the absurd amounts of equipment today’s warfighters have to carry, one can understand the need to opt for sheer strength over agility/mobility.

In the end, it’s far more important to tailor fitness regimens according to a unit’s or an individual’s mission–which often differs between deployments–rather than blindly commit to a specific program. For example, a unit deployed to the mountains of Afghanistan requires different levels of fitness than a unit deployed to the plains of Syria or the jungles of Venezuela. Perspective and situation must dictate preparation.

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Thought for the (2): Any women on this thread? Military?, LEO? Firefighter? Civilian concealed carry? Firearms Instructors? Martial Arts instructors? If so, would you consider posting some of your training methods? Thanks.

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Might as well contribute a bit!

Brief background: I’ve been involved in martial arts for over a decade. I started with hapkido (basically Korean jiu-jitsu), then added muay thai, boxing and BJJ to the mix. Last year I started supplementing all that with various Filipino and Indonesian war arts.

I began teaching after a few years of training, which RAPIDLY increased my understanding of techniques. Nothing like having to explain certain moves to completely untrained people to help you understand every facet of a technique.

My mentality has always, always been that martial arts is a self-defence tool, and I’ve always trained as such. In terms of skills training, I’ve tried to cultivate a tight but effective collection of tools which I then train in applying to a variety of circumstances. This is mostly “mindset” training and has helped me realize that “self-defence” is not a “style”, but instead a way of thinking. I work security in the roughest part of my city and this has allowed me to get out of some very sticky situations.

In terms of physical training, I basically focus on what you mentioned the military does in that article; I train for speed, power and explosive strength in the lower body (with some endurance work), while the upper body is mostly strength and power endurance.

Welcome.

Excellent quote, don’t be a stranger.

Thought for the day: Quotes from the book “Warrior Ethos” by Steven Pressfield. If you are unfamiliar with his work, take time to check him out.

Most ancient warrior cultures were embedded in a warrior society. The Western military is a warrior culture embedded in a civilian society.

So the values of the warrior culture or often not shared by society. And often even opposed.

Civilian society praises individual freedom. The warrior culture depends on cohesion.

Civilian society rewards wealth and celebrity. The warrior culture prizes honour.

Aggression is valued in the warrior culture. In civilian life you can go to jail.

A warrior culture trains for adversity. The goals of the civilian life are comfort and luxury.

Selflessness is one of the highest virtues of the warrior culture. Civilian society often acts as selfishly as it can.

This leads to conflict between the two.

So….Is the Warrior Ethos without value in civilian life? Far from it! Many of the values will help you in civilian life as well. The war is the same. Only the location has changed.

It will help you battle your Wars Inside as well. Be the best version of yourself. Fight negative internal enemies like jealousy, envy, greed, selfishness and use self-discipline to kill them.

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I’ve been doing a lot of deep research into ancient Sparta, beyond just their military prowess. What you posted above reminded me of that.

I’ll throw a little discussion topic into the mix:

I’ve been thinking a lot about preemptive action, threat distance and remaining assertive while trying to deescalate a situation.

On preemptive action; when do you feel it’s appropriate to take the initiative? Once multiple warning have been given? When you’re certain that a threat exists (but hasn’t yet manifested)?

Perhaps it’s once someone’s entered that “threat distance”? Let’s say you’re dealing with a particularly lippy subject, and you’ve told him multiple times to calm down and back off. He’s trying to push your buttons, and after a while he steps within your comfortable “threat distance” (within extended arm’s reach, as an example). Do you act then?

I’m interested in how some of you guys deal with those situations. Especially guys like @Frank_C and @twojarslave.

I have to operate with three things in mind:

  • opportunity
  • ability
  • intent

Once those three things are satisfied then it’s go time. I don’t need to wait any longer.

Do they have the intent to harm me or another? Well, that’s a judgment call. Pacing around and clenching the fists tells me you’re thinking about it. That’s enough intent to put me on alert.

Do they have the ability to harm me or another? If it’s an adult who’s mobile then the answer is yes.

Lastly, do they have the opportunity. Opportunity is a big one. Just like you said, distance is a big factor. If the person is 15 feet away and pacing around then they don’t quite have their opportunity but they have my attention.

If I’m on the scene of a call and I’m even close to having PC for an arrest then we might go ahead and deal with the person before they talk themselves into being stupid. Making a quick decision to put them in handcuffs and remove them from the scene (put them in a car) can throw their thought process off and prevent them from figuring out a plan.

If they have met all three of my criteria then it’s time to act. I don’t wait any longer. There’s no point. And believe it or not, I can remove the handcuffs and release a person once we’ve sorted it all out.

If someone is amped up and causing me to watch them constantly then they’re a distraction. Distractions can be dangerous. I can justify legally detaining them as stated above to bring my scene under control.

Officers can’t afford to be reactive on a scene. If we detect a threat then it’s better for everyone - even the bad guy - to deal with it preemptively.

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That’s a great trinity. Lots of good stuff in everything you said. Thanks for giving your two-cents!

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@jmaier gave a good general primer on the nuanced nature of force escalation. For even more detail, I recommend reading some of Massad Ayoob’s books. He goes into greater detail about the trifecta of tests (although he uses the term jeopardy instead of intent, same idea though). Deadly Force - Understanding Your Right To Self Defense is the most current and I haven’t read it, but I’ve read several of his earlier books on the subject. He’s a good writer and a subject matter expert worth listening to.

Regarding your questions in a bouncer/bar security setting, there are a few scenarios I’ve dealt with. The most basic use of preemptive force is when someone refuses to leave after the staff has asked. I sometimes use deception to get them outside. “Hey, is your name Johnny Asshole? There’s this blonde chick outside asking for you.” Once they get outside just bar re-entry and have the conversation.

That only works if they’re not running a tab and are receptive to the tactic. If deception fails, next up is a straightforward and polite discussion. “I’m asking you to please to set the drink down and leave the property. It’s no big deal, we’ve all been drunk before. We just need for you to go now. I’ll be cool if you are.” At that point I have a roughly one minute timer that kicks off where I give them an opportunity to process the information and realize I mean business. I may let it go a little bit longer if they seem like they’re about to leave on their own, but you can usually tell right away how it’s going to go.

If I have to put hands on someone to move them out the door, the formula is simple. Get behind them if I can, grab a tricep if that’s not an immediate option. This opens up every option I need. Getting behind them allows gentle nudging them in the direction of the door, a side clinch, several takedowns, picking them up with double-underhooks to just carry them out and even a rear naked choke. Tricep grab already has one arm controlled and I can post on their other arm if needed, go to a Russian Tie or drag the arm and take the back. No need to harm anyone if I stick to those options, and how it goes depends on what they do when I make contact.

On to some of your specific questions (again, offering a bouncing context, my answers would vary a bit if I’m just a dude minding my own business).

Nope. Threats exist everywhere and one of the biggest threats I’m worried about as a bouncer are lawyers.

Not for me, not on the job. I’m in prayer position and discussion mode at that point, if this is taking place outside. If I’m inside I will make contact, but only to move them out the door (see tactics above).

Encounters like that happen outside at the door all the time, at least once or twice a month, usually after someone just got cut off. Sometimes a few in one shift. I stay cool and ready to act. Right now I’d say 90 percent or more of those encounters have ended without violence aside from whatever it took to get them out the door.

Without yelling? Hell no.

Without many insults being hurled my way? I wish, but no.

Without being verbally challenged and threatened with the worst ass-beating I’d ever get? Again, no. I get threatened frequently.

Would I have had cases where I’d be justified in putting my hands on a guy who’s telling me he’s going to beat my ass? Eh, probably. But I’ve gotten good at reading people and dealing with social violence, and your typical drunk guy at the bar who’s yelling that he wants to fight the bouncer doesn’t REALLY want to fight the bouncer. He just wants to look tough in front of his buddies or his girl and act like he’s in control of the situation. I don’t really care what they think about me, so they can spout off to their heart’s content. The regulars know and respect me, which are the only customer opinions that matter at all to me. The cops are usually on their way at that point, all I need to do is wait it out and stay on-guard.

The guys who want to fight, do. Once aggressive contact is made, the whistle has blown and it’s on. Even then, I’m looking to use the least possible force. I’ve yet to come across a capable fighter in bouncing situations. It’s like manhandling children for me at this point.

Fantastic. Thanks for the response. You and J were two guys specifically that I wanted to hear from, because you both sit on either side of a weird spectrum that I operate at.

I work security in a mall that’s the drug/gang hub of the entire city. We’re basically expected to do a large part of what cops do, but without the tools or back-up to support us (I get a stab-resistant vest and handcuffs, but that’s it). So I’m often having to deal with, arrest or issue trespass notices to some really sketchy mofos.

Luckily, I’ve only been wholloped once, because I do my best to verbally deescalate 99% of the time. But I still know that someday some crackhead is gonna lose his marbles mid conversation, so I’m always aware of distancing and surroundings.

Thought for the day: Know the difference and train accordingly.

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