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The Stupid Thread 2


#4817

And, just hypothetically, if Timothy changes his mind in ten years, and decides he would rather be Susan again and perhaps have children, but cannot, because she has been chemically castrated, who does she sue?


#4818

@Aragorn

Professor gives a test -genius gets 60-70 out of a 100; smart person gets 30ish; rest of the crowd is toast; idiots realize they’re in the wrong class/place and drop out. (well, maybe the traditional “curve” is the wrong term)

Professor gets “talked” to. Genius gets 100; smart people get high 90s; rest of the crowd does “well”, a little bit behind that; idiots think they just need to work a little bit harder to join the crowd. The school is doing a great job, everyone is getting a good education.

Now, one cannot tell anymore who’s who, when they see the “resume” a degree or two removed from the scene of the whitewash.


#4819

Actually I always thought the curve was an unnecessary tool for messing with the results.

With a curve, the teacher gives a really hard test and the best kid in class gets an 89/100. If that test gets curved that kid gets an A. Under normal scoring 89/100 is a B. I always prefered just knowing what I had to do to get a certain grade beforehand, not factoring in everyone else’s skills and dedication to the test.


#4820

Is this real?


#4821

Maybe these “great” institutions have just become too revenue focused?

I went to a cheap unrecognizable CC. Dirty little secret is that they work along side of and employ professors from Pitt, CMU, and Penn State to ensure parity and avoid problems with matriculation.

So, a typical class went like this:

Student: I worked really hard on this!

Prof: I’m not changing anything. Get out of my classroom and quit wasting everybody’s time.

Student: I’m going to the deans office!

Prof: Good. Hurry along now. And don’t forget your book. They’ll still give you half its value at the store. Everybody else, open your books to chapter 9, Rational Functions. Tonight we’re going to find the slope of the asymptote…

Because at $90.00/credit, they actually do care more about their reputation than tuition refunds.


#4822

I was reading about this and one person said young people are more open-minded than older people. Whether or not being open-minded is good or bad, young people have always been more close minded than adults and it’s even worse today.


#4823

That about qualifies it. Again, I point to the age of brain maturation…


#4824

I’d say that’s probably accurate. I’m also not sure that normalizing as in your second example is a bad thing–some of the idiots aren’t actually idiots they’re just bad at time management or even unsure of their path. In that sense letting them feel they might have just enough to join the crowd if they work hard isn’t a bad thing. Also, kids who always worked hard to get good grades (as opposed to “geniuses”) can be completely disheartened in a scenario like your first. These kids by all rights have the ability to become great in their chosen field, but probably need someone willing to teach and mentor rather than “break”. For example, my first organic chemistry teacher was so bad I ended the semester with a 52%, but that was a solid B in the class and I was toward the top. Intimidated, I worried constantly about needing to take organic 2, but ended up acing it with a high 90s% due solely to the difference in teacher and style.

I’ve been in classes from both illustrations and I don’t think either should be prevented. As the saying goes, you’re always going to have the 1/3 or the class that just can’t get it. Although I consider the first to be a terrible teacher personally…assuming that it isn’t 1 single test but a semester long pattern. Also many professors are researchers first and teachers a distant second, so they are both ill-equipped and not particularly motivated to do lots of teaching (their appointments are continued by reaching grant and project milestones not by class).

Again though, I personally don’t think administration should have any say in the matter. There are easily many fields that need a more rigorous approach, as long as the professor isn’t “checked out”.


#4825

16, 14,12. Can they really do any worse than the Trump vs Clinton matchup?


#4826

2024:
AOC/Bernie ticket vs Skhreli/Stormy Daniels


#4827

You kid, but I’d vote for him if he’d release the Wu Tang Album


#4828

We just announce unconscious bias workshops at work, YEAH!!!


#4829

I wish you were my professor in grad school, 94 was an A.


#4830

This.

But, it has it’s downside too.

I read a professor’s open letter to his incoming freshmen at a university and he explained the difference between teachers and professors.

Teachers teach, professors, well, profess. In HS, we get measured on our students’ performance. In college, his words, they don’t give a shit (paraphrased). You either get it or you get out - they still cash your check.

However, most universities are for profit, and all need to pay the bills. So if you wash out as a freshmen, it’s hard to replace you. That means that most universities want you to be there for four years (or more) because new sophomores (or juniors) aren’t a commodity. That’s why they become selective on admission - can you stick it out for four years.

Community colleges are different - students are a commodity. I live near Nassau CC on Long Island, and they are just servicing the public. Many kids consider it “Super High School” or “Thirteenth Grade,” but there are quite a few kids admitted to Ivy League schools that choose to defer their enrollment at those schools to spend two years at a lower cost institution.

So, in a woo woo sense, it’s all about energy exchange.


#4831

Lolz


#4832

Probably pretty financially viable as well
:man_shrugging:


#4833

Pretty good video from fair and balanced Fox News.


#4834

That’s how they sell it here too, and after hearing from a few professors from Pitt & CMU, they really like the CC students for their work ethic.


#4835

Yeah, this is a different class of kid.

Just saying, these kids didn’t have a tutor write the essay for them, don’t get extra time for no reason - they are walking in the front door.

We can all tell who’s mom is writing their essays, and for the most part, this gen is a bunch of cheaters.

But not my kids, lol.


#4836

I had a prof who told us he couldn’t finish his own tests in the time allotted. But he curved the class grades.

Had another who graded on a true curve, but made the class very easy so a 95% ended up being a C-.

IME in STEM, pretty much everything was graded on a curve, but only so much as the prof saw fit. They know when a test they made is too hard, or too easy. They know how many A quality, B quality, etc students they have in the class. They aren’t going to pass or give a B to a kid who doesn’t know the material, that’s just setting him up for failure next semester when he has to use that material as base knowledge to apply new concepts. Classes build on each other in STEM.

Properly applied curves are useful tools in a teacher/profs tool chest.