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Dear T-Brothers and Sisters,

I feel the need to write to you, honestly seeking opinions and insight, but mainly to vent at the insanity I have just witnessed!

A few days ago, my girlfriend gave me a book she had ordered me a while back, that had finally come in. The book is about Fidel Castro, the well known atrocities he has forced upon his own country, and the link between him and the Hollywood Left. The book is great and I finished it in about 2 days. It did however shed a lot of light on specifics about “La Revolucion” and Castro and his cronies, I didn’t know.

Obviously, being Cuban and having had family members participate and die fighting communism in Cuba, I’ve heard my share of stories. Don’t get me wrong, I love hearing about my family’s homeland, and about all the struggles they endured to finally have freedom. As most if not all (we’ll get to that later) people should know, Fidel Castro achieved absolute power in Cuba through nothing short of corruption, torture, murder, and lies, after lies, after lies…

This leads me to my main point (my reason for writing). I happened to be stumbling around the web this afternoon, and what do I find you ask??? A website completely dedicated to Socialism, Communism, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, and god knows what other monsters of our time. After looking around for a couple of minutes, I decided to go into the forum area. I did all I could to avoid throwing up in my cubicle at work after seeing some of the things people had written.

“Viva el Che!!!” “One of the greatest, wisest, men of this century!” “Socialism first must be learned in the heart, and then spread to do good for the people.”

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!

Honestly folks, to think that there are still people (4000 members according to one site) that suck this garbage up like a sponge, is almost sickening. The worst thing about it, and the reason I believe so many Cubans get SO angry and outraged when they hear this sort of thing, is the fact that the people spread this shit without the slightest idea about what the hell their talking about! These people have done absolutely NO research or reading on the subject, yet think themselves authorities.

The optimist that I am, I actually believe that these lost souls are trully blinded or even brainwashed, and don’t know any better…If they did, then it’s scary to think that there are that many people who support mass genocide, torture of political prisoners (prisoners of conscious), and who openly praise cold-blookded killers such as these men.

Like I said, I’m sure they just don’t know any better…That “I’m definitely cool because I’m wearing a trendy Che Guevara T-shirt” guy walks down the street, I’m sure, oblivious to the fact that the “revolutionary hero” he so proudly displays on his chest, was Fidel Castro’s top enforcer in the early years, murdering thousands of “enemies of the state.” In fact, I’m sure he has no idea, that the Castro regime has encarecerated more of a percentage of their population than the prewar Nazi’s!!! Most of the world doesn’t know the atrocities that communist cubans enflicted on their own people over the last 40+ years. Castro even sent torture specialists to train and “advise” the North Vietnamese on interrogation tactics of AMERICAN POW’s in Vietnam.

Maybe our old Che-fan-club president never found out that Che himself NEVER fought in ANY of the “battles” of the inital revolution. Shit, even Castro himself got rid of the guy, sending him away on missions whenevr he had the chance. he was proven to be one of the most incompetent militray “leaders” of this century. Infact, those “battles” of the inital revolution, that brought Castro fame throughtout the island, were now shown as really small skirmishes, totally 182 deaths (total) instead of the thousands upon thousands that the liberal media like the “New York Times” was reporting. Che was so couragious, that his last words were: “Please don’t shoot me, I’m begging you…I’m Che Guevara, I’m worth more to you alive!”

Now, you may ask where I got such information? I happen to have met (several times actually) the famed CIA agent that was the last American man to see “El Che” alive. he has recounted to me the story of when Che was captured in the jungles in Bolivia. he said he was there, when Che was killed, and supports the claim that he was more coward then “Leader.” This is your “revolutionary hero.”

Socialism, in the hands of a tyrant like Castro, has turned a once prosperous nation, who standard of living was 11th highest, not in the region, but the world, into an impoverished nation where suicide is the leading cause of death among people 18-35, and where Haitians won’t even go!!! A joke right? I’m afraid not… Here’s a statistic I found interesting: The following are the food allowances given to black Cuban slaves in 1848 (per day keep in mind)
-Meat = 8 oz.
-Rice = 4 oz.
-Beans = 6 oz.

Here are the same numbers straight off the ration card on our friendly neighborhood dictator:
-Meat = 4 oz.
-Rice = 2 oz.
-Beans = 1 oz

Now, this leads me to believe that Fidel Castro, and his Revolution, grand in all its glory, feeds it’s own people LESS than slaves got more than a century before!!! This should tell you something people, honstly… All this while the hollywood Left and all these other rich, liberal assholes sing praises and shower him with titles like, a “Humanitarian who has only done good for his people.”

This is according to people like Danny Glover, Susan Surandon, Sean Penn, etc…These people obviously have no concept of reality! Its easy to sit back in your mansion in Beverley Hills, or wherever these commie S.O.B’s live, and say that communism is the way to go, and that Fidel is only wanting to do good…Steven Spielberg said that meeting Fidel Castro was: “the eight most important hours of my life.” Wow, Mr. Spielberg, this coming from a man who made himself a billionaire off of movies like Schindler’s List. Doesn’t make sense to me, really deosn’t.

Why would thousands upon thousands of people risk their and their families lives by jumping into the Gulf of Mexico? (estimated 75,000+ victims have perished in the Gulf) If Cuba is so great, why have these poeple been fleeing for 4 decades? I don’t know about you, but I’ve never seen Danny Glover or Sean Penn (both in speedo’s I’m sure) step off South Beach headed for a swim across shark infested waters to reach the “Paradise” that is Cuba. I’d love to see how quick all these liberals would change their tune if they had to live 1 day like the average Cuban citizen.

I love the fact that all the liberal activists storm campuses across the country screaming about Freedom of speech. What they don’t realize, is that Castro and his revolution allows NO freedom of speech. You think someone can just walk around and denounced the government. If they do, they’ll find themselves having plenty of time to do more denouncing during their sure 30 years-to-life prison sentence. Socialism: For the people??? To save the poor???

The first thing that the communist regime in Cuba did was to confiscate (steal) all the land, AWAY from the farmers and middle class. They now belonged to the state. They “nationalized” the media, which basically means shutting down the 150+ free newspapers Cubans had the option of reading from BEFORE 1959, and replacing them with communist propaganda outfits. Poeple, for the love of God, Socialism and Communism DO NOT WORK!!! Really, get over it already. Before Castro, Cuba enjoyed a booming economy with a dollar at the same level as the U.S. dollar. Now, their economy is in shambles… The Cuban dollar is worth next to nothing…Liberals, explain please?

So what does buy you things in Cuba??? tTe American (toursit) ollar of course. In fact, to all those saying to themselves: “Communism didn’t work in Cuba because of the awfull U.S. embargo, bla, bla, bla…” I have one thing to say: Do your homework!
The U.S. was Cuba’s sixth largest trading partner in 2003 (tourism, etc)…embargo? Don’t be fooled folks.

To those of you thinking that my rants are for nothing, and that I’m probably just another Cuban guy from Miami who came from a background that makes him feel he has the right to say all this…

I say: I hope that nobody else on earth has to endure what my family did during the middle part of this century… I wish that upon no one. I do however stand proud of my heritage and of my family name. I am proud of the fact that one uncle fought in the Bay of Pigs invasion. Another who was a double agent for the CIA during the beginnning of the revolution. Another spent over 10 years in Castro’s dungeons after spending 3 years in hiding. \

Did the punishment fit the crime you ask??? The crime was assisting fellow Cubans get off the island with their families. These were people like you and I, only wanting to live in freedom, rather then under a communist dictatorship. They deemed him a counter-revolutionary, and of course, sent him straight to jail. I guess he’d have a good argument against anyone defending Castro’s status as a “Humanitarian” or “Champion of Human Rights” when he recounts the year of his life he spent without seeing sunlight, or any light for that matter.

Or maybe how, each dawn, he would hear innocent men, some as young as 15, scream things like “vive Christo rey!” (live, Christ the King!) as their communist killers riddled their bodies with bullets. Although they would tell him almost every day, never knew if he was next. The gaurds would come over during meal time, routinely poor the prisoners soup on the dirt floor, telling them : “Dinner is served!” And then I hear Liberals complaining about Guantanamo Bay??? Comparing it to a Nazi Gulag??? Did I miss something?

I guess I feel a more-than-usual connection with my Cuban roots, but I will never apoligize for it. I guess I maybe got some of my Father’s great uncle’s genes…His name is Perucho Figueredo, writer of “La Bayamesa,” Cuba’s national Anthem.

Overall, I just wanted to let my feelings out about how disgusted I am with some of these individuals who either have no idea what their talking about, or consciously support mass incarcerations and genocide. I feel almost the need to educate those confused and misled. At the same time I wish I had the power to banish those who DO know better, (who still support the bullshit), to some remote island off in the Pacific somewhere…

Someone, help these people see the truth, as been written in so many HISTORY books.

History will absolve me? Yeah right…what a joke!
-Viva Cuba LIBRE!!!

On a side note: If I ever had my way, I think I’d do some re-testing of our nuclear arsenal…Hey, I know…I’ve got a great little island off in the Pacific somewhere…

I can’t tell if you are against communism, socialisam or liberalism. Figure it out and let us know.

Very interesting read. Just wondering, do you think maybe some people believe in what Che, and maybe Fidel, sought after in the beginning?? I have trouble believing they had a revolution so that they could create another dictatorship. I have a theory, and for the most part it works. Violent revolutions of violent dictators only changes the face of the dictator. I think they may have had very good intentions in the beginning, but it is impossible to non-violently maintain control when their own means to power was through violence. As an aside, I mean no disrespect, just thought I’d make it a discussion.

Hey, I’ve got an idea for you! Hate these people you are mad at. Hate them with everything you’ve got. Let the hate consume you and devise ways you can dole out punishment to these people that are the source of your hate.

It is good to hate something you have no control over. It will bring many years of peace and happiness to you and enrich your life. In five years tell us how your hate filled life is going, it will be interesting to hear!

Elkhntr1,
hahaha…I laugh simply at the fact that you actually wasted several minutes of your time in scripting that mature response. I have been away from the site for a while now, but I hope the majority of this constituency hasn’t dwindled down to the lower rungs of our society.

Honestly, it makes me really think about the fact that second generation Cuban Americans (living in the United States, obviously) have achieved more in financial wealth than most so-called “Pure-bred” Americans. This is a statistical fact. If doubts remain, contact the IRS.

Obviously, residing in Colorado, you haven’t had the opportunity to watch people litarally crawl onto the beach, yelling for their freedom, after having survived being at sea for a week or two…Shit, have you ever even seen a beach? I may hate communism (there’s your answer, guy), but at least I’m not bitter at the realization that your entire life will add nothing more to the world than a few cute responses to a serious subject on an internet forum.

Really, I think it’s hilarious when I hear what the average- (or maybe like in this case, below-average) intelligence American has to say about Cubans, and even Cuban-American citizens. Here’s a true story (example): I was on a ski lift with my Father and a gentlemen who’s name I never got. On the way up, he asks us where we’re from. My father responds in his perfect Attorney english: “From sunny Miami, sir.”
The guy says, “Oh, thats cool…Hey Isn’t that place over-run by those damn, dirty…” we looked at him perplexed. “All the Cubans?!?” he shouted! My dad quickly said with a laugh, “Yeah, we pretty much run the place.” I had to laugh into my jacket, as to try to not make the guy feel like a TOTAL asshole! It was too late though…The three of us rode all the way up in silence, although I saw a slight smile on my fathers face. The whole situation was hilarious to me, and I’ll never forget it. Now, come to think of it, it was on one of my families yearly ski trips. That year: VAIL!

Now THATs funny!

[quote]wetdrmscap wrote:
Elkhntr1,
hahaha…I laugh simply at the fact that you actually wasted several minutes of your time in scripting that mature response. I have been away from the site for a while now, but I hope the majority of this constituency hasn’t dwindled down to the lower rungs of our society.

Honestly, it makes me really think about the fact that second generation Cuban Americans (living in the United States, obviously) have achieved more in financial wealth than most so-called “Pure-bred” Americans. This is a statistical fact. If doubts remain, contact the IRS.

Obviously, residing in Colorado, you haven’t had the opportunity to watch people litarally crawl onto the beach, yelling for their freedom, after having survived being at sea for a week or two…Shit, have you ever even seen a beach? I may hate communism (there’s your answer, guy), but at least I’m not bitter at the realization that your entire life will add nothing more to the world than a few cute responses to a serious subject on an internet forum.

Really, I think it’s hilarious when I hear what the average- (or maybe like in this case, below-average) intelligence American has to say about Cubans, and even Cuban-American citizens.[/quote]

and this is a mature response?? This my friend is what we call an ad hominum logical fallacy. Since you could not talk about the issue of your hate, you decide to attack the intelligence of elkhntr. Was he using sarcasm, yup. But I think we all understood what he was getting at. Hate will not get you anywhere. I do not know of your religion, but if its any form of Christianity, you should already understand that. Now, lets bring this discussion out of the juvenile gutter it is in.

Good for you.It seems you are well on your way!

Not sure if we can get this thread back on track before it gets away from everyone or not… but I will try.

From elkhntr’s perspective, I agree that wetdrmscap’s post is pretty damn angry and there is always a danger of hate consuming you. At the same time, I can certainly appreciate that if all of your family comes from an oppressive communist nation like Cuba, you’re going to have a perspective that not many Americans will have or likely be able to fully fathom. Not to put words in his mouth, but Elk is not saying that Cuba is great… just that being as pissed as you sound is not going to likely help you much.

Back to the meat of the issue. I do find it fascinating the extent to which Che Gueverra is practically granted sainthood by some and shown to be some heroic force for the downtrodden whether from the film “Motorcycle Diaries” or all the t-shirts and such with his likeness on it. Amazing how anyone so integral to a revolution that was fraught with zero concern for individual rights, liberties or freedom is suddenly viewed as a champion of anything.

Interesting article on this from Opinionjournal.com
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006484

Kuz

I am a Cuabn-American
The average american will never understand, or desire to understand the plight of cubans. Americans are by far very ignorant when it comes to wordly matters, and it pains me to say this because i do in fact LOVE this country. It is a very flawed country, but it is still the best damn country politically in the world. And i say this out of personal experiecne, i have travelled alot in this world and have read even more.

That aside, Castro is a brilliant man. The most heinous villanous sort of man, but a brilliant man. And, i would argue the most brillaint machiavellian in the world scene (how else could he have sustained for over 50 years a government openly hostile to the U.S. only 90 miles from its borders).

Those who support him are so involved in the romantic image he has so craftily created, that they fail to see the truly dreadful nature of the man and the irreperable damage he has done to cuba (more then well documented statistically, Cuba was in the 40’s a nation with a standard of living not much lower then the U.S. and an economy more vibrant then nearly any). Not to mention they flatly ignore the sinister abuses he has unleashed on his people (documented in detail by many national orgs, and i can as well vouch through family and friends who lived there and some left as recently as 3 years ago).

It is our job as cubans and cuban-americans to continue the fight as we can. We are dispraportinately well represented in the government (many reps in house, and one senator, as well as 2 cabinet positions under bush) because of our desire to be heard. We are as well proving our worth by the upward mobility of our society (cuban-americans according to the u.s. census beureau are better educated and more economically well-off then their anglo-american brothers). But we cannot give up because frankly no one in this world will help us, or has helped us except ourselves. Do i hate our enemies? Yes. But i fight them everyday by trying to educate them and mroe so be being better then they (as our people already have on so many counts)

-con orgullo

wetdrmscap:

Well done. Far too many people do not have a clue. Your post should be mandatory reading for all the fools that say communism is good in theory.

very insightful.

i guess one cannot truly understand a person’s plight until they have experienced it themselves or from family members that have…

[quote]Kuz wrote:
Not sure if we can get this thread back on track before it gets away from everyone or not… but I will try.

From elkhntr’s perspective, I agree that wetdrmscap’s post is pretty damn angry and there is always a danger of hate consuming you. At the same time, I can certainly appreciate that if all of your family comes from an oppressive communist nation like Cuba, you’re going to have a perspective that not many Americans will have or likely be able to fully fathom. Not to put words in his mouth, but Elk is not saying that Cuba is great… just that being as pissed as you sound is not going to likely help you much.

Back to the meat of the issue. I do find it fascinating the extent to which Che Gueverra is practically granted sainthood by some and shown to be some heroic force for the downtrodden whether from the film “Motorcycle Diaries” or all the t-shirts and such with his likeness on it. Amazing how anyone so integral to a revolution that was fraught with zero concern for individual rights, liberties or freedom is suddenly viewed as a champion of anything.

Interesting article on this from Opinionjournal.com
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006484

Kuz[/quote]

I agree - this pisses me off to no end. That’s why I bought a “Commies Aren’t Cool” t-shirt with Che’s picture on it… I got to be capitalist and bash Che at the same time.

All these silly spoiled pseudo-rebellious kids with their Che fixations – I suppose you can’t blame them, given the state of our education system, but it still makes my blood boil… Our education-class, especially at the collegiate level (where teachers are trained) needs to teach some real history, and focus on the fact that the self-proclaimed communists were as bad or worse than the Nazis, in every respect.

[quote]vroom wrote:
I can’t tell if you are against communism, socialisam or liberalism. Figure it out and let us know.[/quote]

Like there’s a difference.

T-Brethren, I appreciate the responses more than you know. It gives me a GREAT feeling to know that there are people out there who are NOT willing to stand for injustice, murder, and the destruction of millions of lives.

I honstly had no intention of sounding like a hate monger or anything like that in my initial response, and for that I apoligize, but I was a little shocked at what I read. I do admit that I HATE communism, as well as those that have done harm to me or the ones I love, however, to think that I am consumed by hate…is a bit of a stretch guys. Honestly, you think I’m in my room day dreaming of plots to kill Castro, while burning copies of the Communist Manifesto??? Instead, you’re more likely to find me at my school’s library reading up on the subject, or engaging in some other form of educating myself. This is what I suggest people do before they begin to spit B.S. If they did, I don’t think the “left” would have much to say… To tell you the truth, it just re-enforces my point about the fact that the average American is unfortunately naive to the Cuban American experience. That said, I’m not trying to sound like I don’t LOVE my country because I absolutely do! This is BY FAR the greatest nation on the Earth and I would NEVER want to live anywhere else. That said I will say that there have been many things that this country has done, or hasn’t done, that have hurt Cuba, or Cubans in general.

When I hear people say that Cubans are just free-loaders, who are not loyal to this country, and who are just whining to the U.S. government to fight our battles for us, it really pisses me off. Little do these ignorant individuals know that people like those who fought in the Bay of Pigs, were for one, all volunteers (Cuban exiles). Secondly, what was the first thing that the survivors of the invasion do when they returned after their betrayal (if you don’t know, please read) from the Kennedy Administration? 600 of them, or 50%, signed up for the Unites States Army, and volunteered to fight in Vietnam! Why you ask??? They realized that the United States government was going to do nothing to free their beloved homeland, so they decided to continue fighting communism wherever on EARTH it was!!! This is all for a country that they don’t love??? Are you kidding me??? What is usually the first thing most cuban refugees do after they have been granted residency here? Get their United States citizenship! These people are proud to be Cuban, yes, but they are also proud to be Americans. They would, and have, fought and shed blood for both “homes.”

I don’t mean to sound like I have a superiority complex, or neither do I think that Cubans are better than anyone else, it just really gets to me when the average American could care less about a people that at every chance they get try to make this country better. My father is involved in city government, and his brother was apppointed by President Bush as Chariman of a very high government agency. These are people that love their Cuban roots, and who actually fought for their freedom. I love the fact that my family represents the true “American Dream.” They came with literally NOTHING, as did thousands of others, and made complete success’ of themselves. They love the opporuntities that this countries education, as well as democratic capitalist system have to offer. Both parents took advantage and attained graduate/doctoral degrees. All this through nothing more than years of hard work. Do you think they would have been able to have these opportunities in Cuba??? I doubt my father would get much day-trading done these days…

Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that we as Cubans and Cuban-Americans, ( I think I speak for most, if not all here) just want the respect we deserve. We have endured so much, as many other cultures have throughout time, but it really never gets talked about Unfortunately all you hear is people singing their praises for Castro’s regime. I may be just howling at the moon, and my words will probably fall mostly on deaf ears (as I’m not the first to say any of this) but I think it needed to be at least addressed.

This country is suppossed to be a “Melting Pot” of cultures and the same way Cubans learn about the United States, their new HOME, Americans should learn about those living here as well…Every culture.

Unfortunatley, sometimes this is too much to ask…

Thanks again.
Se Libre!

[quote]wetdrmscap wrote:
T-Brethren, I appreciate the responses more than you know. It gives me a GREAT feeling to know that there are people out there who are NOT willing to stand for injustice, murder, and the destruction of millions of lives.

I honstly had no intention of sounding like a hate monger or anything like that in my initial response, and for that I apoligize, but I was a little shocked at what I read. I do admit that I HATE communism, as well as those that have done harm to me or the ones I love, however, to think that I am consumed by hate…is a bit of a stretch guys. Honestly, you think I’m in my room day dreaming of plots to kill Castro, while burning copies of the Communist Manifesto??? Instead, you’re more likely to find me at my school’s library reading up on the subject, or engaging in some other form of educating myself. This is what I suggest people do before they begin to spit B.S. If they did, I don’t think the “left” would have much to say… To tell you the truth, it just re-enforces my point about the fact that the average American is unfortunately naive to the Cuban American experience. That said, I’m not trying to sound like I don’t LOVE my country because I absolutely do! This is BY FAR the greatest nation on the Earth and I would NEVER want to live anywhere else. That said I will say that there have been many things that this country has done, or hasn’t done, that have hurt Cuba, or Cubans in general.

When I hear people say that Cubans are just free-loaders, who are not loyal to this country, and who are just whining to the U.S. government to fight our battles for us, it really pisses me off. Little do these ignorant individuals know that people like those who fought in the Bay of Pigs, were for one, all volunteers (Cuban exiles). Secondly, what was the first thing that the survivors of the invasion do when they returned after their betrayal (if you don’t know, please read) from the Kennedy Administration? 600 of them, or 50%, signed up for the Unites States Army, and volunteered to fight in Vietnam! Why you ask??? They realized that the United States government was going to do nothing to free their beloved homeland, so they decided to continue fighting communism wherever on EARTH it was!!! This is all for a country that they don’t love??? Are you kidding me??? What is usually the first thing most cuban refugees do after they have been granted residency here? Get their United States citizenship! These people are proud to be Cuban, yes, but they are also proud to be Americans. They would, and have, fought and shed blood for both “homes.”

I don’t mean to sound like I have a superiority complex, or neither do I think that Cubans are better than anyone else, it just really gets to me when the average American could care less about a people that at every chance they get try to make this country better. My father is involved in city government, and his brother was apppointed by President Bush as Chariman of a very high government agency. These are people that love their Cuban roots, and who actually fought for their freedom. I love the fact that my family represents the true “American Dream.” They came with literally NOTHING, as did thousands of others, and made complete success’ of themselves. They love the opporuntities that this countries education, as well as democratic capitalist system have to offer. Both parents took advantage and attained graduate/doctoral degrees. All this through nothing more than years of hard work. Do you think they would have been able to have these opportunities in Cuba??? I doubt my father would get much day-trading done these days…

Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that we as Cubans and Cuban-Americans, ( I think I speak for most, if not all here) just want the respect we deserve. We have endured so much, as many other cultures have throughout time, but it really never gets talked about Unfortunately all you hear is people singing their praises for Castro’s regime. I may be just howling at the moon, and my words will probably fall mostly on deaf ears (as I’m not the first to say any of this) but I think it needed to be at least addressed.

This country is suppossed to be a “Melting Pot” of cultures and the same way Cubans learn about the United States, their new HOME, Americans should learn about those living here as well…Every culture.

Unfortunatley, sometimes this is too much to ask…

Thanks again.
Se Libre![/quote]

I think your post sums up very nicely why I have always held a lot of deep respect for immigrants to this country (including my great grandparents who came here in the early 20th Century): when you come from a place without the freedoms we enjoy here, you tend have a deeper sense of appreciation for those liberties than those who have known no other form of government their entire lives. The U.S. is certainly not perfect, but deep in my heart I think you would be very hard-pressed to find a better spot to live in the 21st Century… but I am a tad bit biased. :wink:

Thanks, wetdrmscap, for the reminder of the fact that even in our own backyard, there are still people yearning for and risking everything for freedom.

Kuz

So, what’s going to happen when Castro finally dies? It seems like he’s THE force that is keeping Cuba Communist.

Does he have a successor lined up, or do you think his death will pave the way for a free Cuba?

No, you do not speak for most Cuban expatriates. I am by no means a fan of Castro, but anything is better than the how things were before the revolution. Your family fought against Castro? Mine fought against the US-backed Mafioso regime that preceded it.

You talk about Americans not helping? Don’t you know your own country’s history? How many acts of terrorism has the US sponsored in Cuba? How many times have they attempted to assassinate the President of a sovereign nation? You talk about how bad things are in Cuba, and you are right. Cuba is messed up. But to talk about pre-revolution Cuba like it was paradise is idiotic. That is, of course, if you are the average Cuban. Mine is a family of campesinos, what did your family do?

Your views are very polarized, because of the people you grew up around. I suggest before you take a hardline stance, you learn a little more. And don’t think the US will ever take Cuba without a war.

Doogie,

Surely you know better than that? Perhaps we should eliminate all taxation and all government programs lest we chance upon some evil of socialism?

Maybe we should also do nothing during periods such as the great depression, but simply let everyone starve off. Hell, why wait, maybe we should just have homeless patrols to go kill off the poor a destitute so they stop using up our resources.

Also, lets now worry about the rights and freedoms of individuals to do as they please. No, we’d hate to let everyone think on their own and reach their own conclusions and voice them. That would be horrid.

If I’m not mistaken the melting pot refers to the fact that everyone coming in is assimulated, like the Borg, not that some changing mixture occurs. Resistance is futile.

Canada on the other hand has some type of appreciation for incoming cultures, and suggests that people are able to retain their cultures, as long as they fit within the confines of our criminal code.

Perhaps all of those cubans who have escaped should put together an effort to do something about conditions back in Cuba? I’m not trying to be obnoxious, but it certainly isn’t the responsibility of the US to go and look after Cuba, though it is possible it may at some point finally do so.

Don’t get angry. Get motivated.

Yup Cuba sounds pretty bad. Guess what though. Haiti and Jamaica are pretty damn rough as well and they accomplished this with US and (in the case of JA) UK backed regimes. In fact, Cuba was poor-ass backwater before Castro too. Might the woes of the larger Caribbean states be part of a set of characteristics common to all these islands rather than soviet style collectivism?

All of these islands have colonial-style economies based on a handful of individuals and compnaies owning most physical resources. For most, the only way to make a descent living in JA or Haiti or Cuba is and has been to leave and go to the US , Canada, UK, or a smaller wealthier island. With little physical resources and fleeing human capital (the educated and the enterprising), all these places are stuck with is cane fields and a couple resorts. Blame Castro if you want- but the issue is much larger than him.