Goldie, Glute is right,He did not say there would be NO use of the stretch reflex all he meant was that it would be dulled. He said “any milisecond you stay down diminshes the stretch reflex and dissipates the elastic energy stored in the tendons.” This is shown in supertraining, i dont know which edition you have but it is on page 269 of mine.
Flawed answer? haha. How was it flawed? there was a goddamn study that showed the stretch reflex remains for 4 seconds. Poliquin says it, Louie Simmons says it. should i go on?
###Yeah they all say it but, there is no question that the reflex at 3.9 seconds is SIGNIFCANTLY less then at 0.1 seconds. Infact the diagram shown in supertraining shows that the rate of decay is greatest at the begining!
If you box squat correctly tension builds as you go down, and you will pop off the box. Im faster with bands than without bands. That should show you right there that the stretch reflex remains. If it didnt i would be slower coming up with the bands because of the greater tension.
###It doesnt really prove that much goldie, The stretch reflex is enhanced when you use bands. So if you pause for half a second on the box and now only have lets say only 50% (arbitrary number not the correct one but will do for the sake of an example) of the potential stretch reflex working. Now with bands it is still 50% of an enhanced stretch reflex. Now if the difference in weight at the BOTTOM is not as great as the difference in help provided by the stretch reflex ofcourse you will be faster with bands!!! Since no one has ever studied bands and stretch reflex we dont know if it will make the duration of stretch reflex last longer??? Maybe it will, maybe after a 0.5 second pause you are able to recruit 75% of the potential stretch reflex when using bands but only 50% when using straight weight. Might be true, who knows! Also the 4 second data is true for the bench press for the people in the study. Im not sure how true it is for other people on other exercises.
Also the what glute mentioned about the SAID principle makes sence. But it obviously isnt true for many people when it comes to real life. What im trying to assertain is why that is? Why train with a diminished stretch reflex on exercises where you need it and train using the most possible stretch reflex on exercises when you cant really use it?
How trainable is the stretch reflex anyway? If it is not very trainable and is relatively fixed then it makes sence. You would not want to train specifically for it in the squat if it can not be improved. In the bench you want to limit the pause because a rapid change of direction requires HUGE forces that will help with strength off the chest. (I was week off the chest in the past and since using the dynamic effort method for bench am no longer week off the chest, despite lifting RAW!!!)
I even read the other day about how when doing depth jumps it may be beneficial to pause for a second before jumping back up. I dont remember where i read that because i read from so many differnt places but i do know that it was either Christian T or Mel Siff.
###Okay that is cool, I would be very interested in reading this. If you remember the source please post it.
Im trying to find out why. Maybe im posting on the wrong forum, maybe t-mag needs to set up a theoretical forum for nerds haha.
Ohhh and by the way this is the first time in over a year ive been able to log in without going having to drive to uni and having to use a different computer every time at uni because of those stupid cookies problems hhaah HOOOOORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!