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#446

I haven’t heard or read one statement from Vox in which he denigrated any race when talking about race.


#447

The answer isn’t white supremacy because white supremacy simply isn’t true. Whites are not superior, but whites are the only tribe willing and able to maintain Western civilization because they are the only tribe that truly values it. The answer for those who support Western civilization, regardless of sex, color, or religion, is to embrace white tribalism, white separatism, and especially white Christian masculine rule.


#449

This is necro posting for sure, but I wanted to flesh out your interest in Ryan Holiday’s work. Overall, I feel that he has done a service for Stoicism as a philosophy of life (much like CrossFit has brought P90Xers and joggers to the way of the barbell, but one who’s truly interested in progressing as a Stoic shouldn’t limit themselves to his work.

However, I don’t feel a stoic should stop there. Nancy Sherman’s Stoic Warriors seems particularly up your alley. It’s a wonderful philosophical study of the US military.

Holiday is particularly influenced by Marcus Aurelius, who himself was an acolyte of the stoic great Epictetus. His Enchiridion ( or Handbook) is in the public domain via Librivix in most podcast apps. It’s a great summary of his maxims in 50 minutes. If you’re looking for an in depth study of Mediations, Hardot’s Inner Citadel is hard to beat.

Sinaca’s 124 moral letters are also fantastic and lend themselves to daily study. He is the best writer among the stoicism (Graver and Long’s translation is the best I’ve come across).

Finally, How to Be a Stoic and a Guide to the Good Life are excellent intros written by reputable philosophers.


#450

Absolutely, if you’re into stoicism then you can definitely dig a lot deeper than Holiday.


#451

Don’t get no deeper than Zeno of Citium booooiiiiiiiiii

I’ll show myself out…


#452

Don’t forget Cleanthes and Chrysippus! I kid.

I do find it tragic that many major philosophical works have been lost to history or only remain in fragments. The Stoic corpus is relatively light on primary sources and contemporary secondary sources. I read recently that Augustine (an intellectual giant in the early Christian church that immensely impacted the religion’s philosophic development) was converted to philosophy and platonisism by one of Circero’s lost works. What an outsized impact on the history of the West.


#453

Apologies if I came across as condescending (The scotch was flowing as I relished Bama’s defeat last night). I just wanted to share some additional works you might be interested in. Stoicism is a very interesting topic and one I think a lot of lifters here could get behind. There are a lot of parallels and mutual benefits between training the body and the soul.


#454

Not just the philosophical work. The missing volumes of Livy would be invaluable, but alas, appear to be no more.


#455

You’re absolutely correct! I’ve been wanted to revisit the classic histories lately (Herodotus, Thucydides, etc.). What secondary sources do you prefer for Livy? I’ve only been exposed to Machiavelli’s Discourses on Livy.


#456

I’m a bit of a neophyte, to be honest. I merely know from a semester of college how much we gleaned from Livy (practically everything) and have some experience with the translated primary text (penguin edition volumes 1-5)

Edit: Oxford tend to be excellent, but I have not read this yet.


#457

I have, it really is excellent but make sure to read Livy’s history with awareness of his political bias, much like all great Roman philosophers (Seneca cough cough)


#458

Came across this in my daily surfing prior to settling in to work. Good read and a tl;dr:

Just b/c someone has authority doesn’t mean you ought to blindly follow everything that comes out of their mouth (this is something I preach to most people almost daily - I’m sure I fall prey to the fallacy from time to time myself).


#459

Not at all, no worries.