The Next President of the United States: IV

I said the government doesn’t want to contract the size of the massive government that the low fertility rate would demand.

And only high iq immigrants are a net gain for society economically speaking, Low iq immigrants are a loss. This attempt to holding onto power by the government is only going to backfire as they are largely importing a fruit picker class of people.

You are correct see what I wrote

So which is it? If the government does not want to contract then their decision to import your so called “fruit picker” class to support the government implies that said class is a net economic gain for society.

fruit pickers increase the need for welfare and vote for a larger government. See Maximus post

But you said they were needed to support the ageing working class which again implies they are a net economic gain. If you believe they will vote for the nanny state then you can make that argument but your previous post states that they want to import tax payers to support the aging working class which would make them a net economic gain.

This is all nonsense. I never said anything about open borders or not controlling immigration. Of course we do. What Raj is suggesting is foreign to the US and antithetical to our values - less immigration from Mexico, because they have low IQs, but a mass of Jews would be ok, certainly no Muslims…that’s ridiculous, invidious, and unAmerican.

And I’m not shaming Raj into silence - I’m engaging him and helping expose what his true beliefs are. And they’re preposterous.

Nope, not simply because we’ve always done it that way - because we’ve done it that way, it works, and it is good.

The founding fathers intended the country to be a white Christian nation specifically for people of British ethnic origin.

Your stance on immigration is just as antithetical to US values as my suggestion if not more.

Haha you can’t be serious with this. After all the discussions you’ve had about immigration, which is clearly your one key issue, that is the conclusion you’ve come to?

Earlier you mentioned that we should have a policy closer to Canada’s. Why don’t you go there? Why come here, as an immigrant, and remake our immigration laws to match your twisted view?

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Is that so? This is hilarious.

Raj, please point me to that section of the Constitution or legislation deporting the Dutch, Ulster Scots, Irish, Germans, Welsh, Huguenot/French, Jewish and Swedish people occupying space in America in the colonial era through 1800 to clear the way the ein Volk of people with true British heritage.

That’d be great. I look forward to your answer.

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Can you back this up with writings or quotes from any of the founders? Especially the part about America being a nation for white people.

Basically this.

TheRaj:

Mexicans come here and don’t assimilate.

Muslims come here and don’t assimilate.

I come here and want to change the way America has worked since 1776.

Okay…

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In other words, because we should control our borders BUT WE CHOOSE NOT TO, because business donors bribe politicians to ensure a steady flow of cheap labor, that makes Raj’s suggestions antithetical.

What I think you mean is, our current government’s policies are antithetical to a reasonable and responsible immigration system, and until it behaves in said reasonable /responsible manner, we do what we feel is necessary to control immigration.

As far as fruit pickers, there are maybe a half million illegal aliens in Los Angeles, not a single farm.

Fruit pickers are nowhere near a net gain for society, people being paid slave wages off the books cost magnitudes more than they bring in. When you add up the costs of education, govt assistance/welfare, incarceration, and healthcare, you are not even remotely close to breaking even by paying someone $5/hr in cash.

Now we could offer to pay more for these jobs so Americans can do them, or we pay inmates to do the work for super cheap, but that would fly in the face of the Democratic mantra of paying a living wage. We would pay a bit more at the grocery store, but pay much less in the long run on the costs of illegal immigration.

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Can you back this up with writings or quotes from any of the founders? Especially the part about America being a nation for white people. [/quote]

Yes I can.

Here’s a quote from Benjamin Franklin:

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Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.

  1. Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionally very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind. [/quote]

http://www.columbia.edu/~lmg21/ash3002y/earlyac99/documents/observations.html

Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote “all men are created equal” was clearly referring to white people as he owned slaves and often spoke of black people’s deficiencies in the Notes of the states of Virginia.

It’s full of anti-black pro-white sentiment but here’s a choice quote where he explains that he doesn’t want whites and blacks to live among one another and certainly not inter-mix:

Here’s the naturalization law from 1790

[quote]

“That any alien, being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof…” [/quote]

Charles Pickney on rights for blacks with respect to the constitution:

[quote]

I perfectly knew that there did not then exist such a thing in the Union as a black or colored citizen, nor could I then have conceived it possible such a thing could have ever existed in it; nor, notwithstanding all that has been said on the subject, do I now believe one does exist in it. [/quote]

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a4_2_1s15.html

Even down the line Abraham Lincoln was never in favour of a multi-racial society, he wanted blacks to self-deport and start their own colony elsewhere in the Americas.

The point here is, if you want to stick to the founding pillars as some of you have suggested, then immigrants should only be white people with a strong preference towards whites from England.

If Trump becomes president don’t come to Canada.

The feeling is mutual

I can go to Canada anytime I want, I am still a citizen. I can carry a duel passport. I don’t cause it’s not worth the trouble, but I could.

We live in some dark times.

We have Hillary and Trump and somehow I think this is a reflection of our own pettiness and stupidity as a country.

Everybody knows which ever the fence they are on, they feel they are voting for the lesser evil, meaning both are really pretty bad. And yet, we still tear each other to shreds over two people who if I met in real life, probably would not even piss on them if they caught fire. (I would piss on Ivanka though, she’s hot)

The ME is a seething cauldron of misery blood and hate and could blow at anytime. Turkey is about to make a strong left turn toward rampant Islamism. Europe is reeling over the immigration crisis and terrorism. And when the bell rings and it’s time for us to lead, we present to two worst people we could possibly produce.
This is a poor reflection on us and yet somehow, I think we deserve what we got.
We lose either way in this election cycle.

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Well, I’ll give credit where credit is due, it seems you did find a few quotes that support your assertion.

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Should probably tell ya something…

Let’s go, @therajraj - need an answer.

Highest percentage, yet.

Good Lord, man - read what I wrote. Raj divvies up the world into “good” immigrants and “bad” ones based on racialist categories and is preaching a disgusting brand of ethno-nationalism that David Duke would smile at.

We don’t do that. Never have. Creepy totalitarian countries do that.

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