[quote]stokedporcupine8 wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]stokedporcupine8 wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Yeah but it did happen, right?
I just want to be clear, and obviously you and I are friends, Aragorn, so I’m not picking a fight with you here.
But the peer review process, in this this case, it did fail, right?
And the stakes in this case are so very, very high.[/quote]
Sure, it happened. The peer review process fails all the time. I don’t know how many shit articles I’ve read only to wonder who was patting who on the back when the article went through “blind” review. Again, given the fact that a few failures doesn’t discredit the entire system I fail to see the point. Unless you are going to be constructive your obtuse criticism isn’t helpful at all. Besides, when you say that “the stakes in this case are so very, very high” you do realize that the door swings both ways, right? While overzealous economic regulation could have disastrous consequences, the consequences of not responding to a real problem of global climate change are equally if not more so dire. What is just as disturbing as the falsified data is the right’s blind and uninformed reaction against that falsified data. People who couldn’t even tell you what data was actually falsified (uh, it has to do with temperature man!) have been obnoxiously claiming that this falsification “debunks” man-made global warming. Oh well.
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This is nonsense. You expect huge industries to be regulated by people who couldn’t run a popsicle stand.
Ever heard of ‘chaos theory’? (sarcasm) You want people who use continuous functions to model data over hundreds of years (how laughable is that?) to regulate dynamic chaotic systems. Well, sorry brah, the only way to attempt that is at gunpoint. Watch your world descend into fascism.
Capitalism, the only system that embraces chaos theory and has thus produced abundance, is to be crushed under the heels of seedy little bureaucrats who shriek ‘But I’ve got a model!!’.
I hope that some industrialist will burn down his factory, leaving an open field. Put up a big sign for all the fascists to read: I am leaving it as I found it. Take over. Its yours.[/quote]
You have no idea what I expect and have clearly read into my words whatever naive intentions you want to see. As always, you have seen the smallest hints of disagreement with your view and have attacked. All I said was that if there is something to man-made climate change then the consequences of not acting are dire, as as I take it Cortes’ point was that if there is nothing to man-made climate change then potentially harmful economic regulation will be for nothing. I said no more and no less than that. The point is that what we don’t need right now, whether the issue be climate change, healthcare, gay rights, etc., is the sort of blind evidence grabbing that quickly dismisses the entire institution of professional science, just as we don’t need falsified data from politicized, grant-happy scientists.
Perhaps that sort of sober reasoning doesn’t fit into your perspective though.
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More nonsense. What would you propose to do, even if all of this could be proven? Pass a law? Again, you EXPECT a particular result from a particular ‘solution’. Yet history is replete with disasters where humans try to regulate other humans. The world is too chaotic.
Pass laws to restrict drilling for oil off Cali/Florida? Price shoots up and ruins economy. Pass laws forcing factories to be ‘clean’? They move to China and we have massive unemployment.
And don’t get me started on the Soviet Union, China, NK, on and on.
Yeah, let’s pass a law and regulate everything!! Yeah!!
When will you people ever learn?