The Muslim Brotherhood Project pts 1 and 2

Still no evidence against CAIR, “unindicted co-conspirator” doesn’t make anyone guilty.

[quote]zahmad wrote:
How about because law enforcement says so, and there is no real evidence?

http://www.cair.com/Portals/0/pdf/Dispelling_Rumors_about_CAIR.pdf[/quote]

1.Randall (“Ismail”) Royer former communications director for CAIR pleaded guilty to serving as the leader of a Virginia-based terrorist network that conspired to train on American soil for “violent jihad.” Randall Todd “Ismail” Royer â?? who most recently served as communications director for a fund-raising effort sponsored by the American Muslim Council â?? allegedly trained in Virginia for holy war against the United States and sent several members to Pakistan to join Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Kashmiri terrorist group with reported ties to al-Qaida.

2.Aldurahman M. Alamoudi, the founder and former executive director of the
American Muslim Council (AMC), the founder of the American Muslim Foundation (AMF), pleasd guilty of transporting $910,000 to Lybia to finance terrorism.

  1. Bassem Khafagi, community affairs director for CAIR, was convicted of bank fraud in connection with transfering funds to Al Qaeda.

  2. CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad is a declared supporter of both the PLO and Hamas, two entities on the U.S. terrorist list.

  3. Siraj Wahhaj, unindicted coconspirator in the '93 WTC bombing is on CAIR’s advisory board.

  4. Ghassan Elashi, board member of the Texas chapter of CAIR, and his brothers were convicted of making illegal technology shipments to Lybia and Syria, in support of terrorist groups. Ghassan Elashi, along with his two brothers Bayan and Basman, were convicted, in a second trial, in Dallas, for channeling funds to a high-ranking official of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas. After a retrial Ghassan Elashi, Holy Land’s former chairman, and Shukri Abu-Baker, the charity’s ex-chief executive, were convicted, on Monday 11/24/2008, of a combined 69 charges, including supporting a specially-designated “terrorist” organisation, money-laundering and tax fraud.

  5. Ali Al-Timimi, a founding member of CAIR, was convicted in 2005 of soliciting and engaging others to levy war against the United States and attempting to contribute services to the Taliban.

  6. Mohammad Nimer, director of CAIR’s Research Center, activly supports Hamas.

  7. Muthanna Al-Hanooti, the former head of CAIR’s Michigan branch, was convicted of spying for Saddam.

Now would be agood time for you to STFU.

[quote]zahmad wrote:
Still no evidence against CAIR, “unindicted co-conspirator” doesn’t make anyone guilty.[/quote]

Convictions do.

What has CAIR been convicted of ? Many of the folks on your list are responded to in the pdf from CAIR. Imam Siraj Wahaj was listed as an unindicted coconspirator, and so was every other Muslim Imam known to the media, doesn’t make them guilty either.

Instead of continuing to post crap, why don’t you read the links anyone else posts? How about you do some fact checking instead of relying on the Islamophobic Investigative Project and FPM.

[quote]zahmad wrote:
What has CAIR been convicted of ? Many of the folks on your list are responded to in the pdf from CAIR. Imam Siraj Wahaj was listed as an unindicted coconspirator, and so was every other Muslim Imam known to the media, doesn’t make them guilty either.

Instead of continuing to post crap, why don’t you read the links anyone else posts? How about you do some fact checking instead of relying on the Islamophobic Investigative Project and FPM.[/quote]

They channeled money to Hamas, I don’t care if they’ve been convicted of other crimes or not.

[quote]zahmad wrote:
What has CAIR been convicted of ? Many of the folks on your list are responded to in the pdf from CAIR. Imam Siraj Wahaj was listed as an unindicted coconspirator, and so was every other Muslim Imam known to the media, doesn’t make them guilty either.

Instead of continuing to post crap, why don’t you read the links anyone else posts? How about you do some fact checking instead of relying on the Islamophobic Investigative Project and FPM.[/quote]

CAIR as an organization has not, but many high ranking, active members that make up CAIR have been.

I’m going to ignore you now, as you are nothing but a apologist for people who support terrorism.

[quote]orion wrote:
If you gentlemen could start posting in German, it would be so much more authentic. [/quote]

You should save that comment for where it’s appropriate. And there’s plenty of low hanging fruit…

But one doesn’t exactly have to go into Pamela Geller style crazy anti-jihad territory to realize that CAIR is not what it pretends to be…

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

[quote]zahmad wrote:
What has CAIR been convicted of ? Many of the folks on your list are responded to in the pdf from CAIR. Imam Siraj Wahaj was listed as an unindicted coconspirator, and so was every other Muslim Imam known to the media, doesn’t make them guilty either.

Instead of continuing to post crap, why don’t you read the links anyone else posts? How about you do some fact checking instead of relying on the Islamophobic Investigative Project and FPM.[/quote]

CAIR as an organization has not, but many high ranking, active members that make up CAIR have been.

I’m going to ignore you now, as you are nothing but a apologist for people who support terrorism.[/quote]

LOL at the ignores. Everyone that doesn’t agree with you is an apologist for people who support terrorism right ?

[quote]zahmad wrote:
LOL at the ignores. Everyone that doesn’t agree with you is an apologist for people who support terrorism right ?[/quote]

No, but supporters of Hamas that does things like intentionally target elementary school busses with anti-tank missles are terrorists.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]zahmad wrote:
What has CAIR been convicted of ? Many of the folks on your list are responded to in the pdf from CAIR. Imam Siraj Wahaj was listed as an unindicted coconspirator, and so was every other Muslim Imam known to the media, doesn’t make them guilty either.

Instead of continuing to post crap, why don’t you read the links anyone else posts? How about you do some fact checking instead of relying on the Islamophobic Investigative Project and FPM.[/quote]

Ha ha ha!

Denial is more than just a river in Egypt!

“But just because lots of CAIR people are convicted terror supporters doesn’t mean CAIR isn’t a peace-loving group of wonderful human beings!”

What a crock of bullshit.

You’re a joke.[/quote]

CAIR is a civil rights group. Here’s some of the things they do:

CAIR has its sent staff to Baghdad to appeal for the release of a kidnapped American journalist; produced anti-terror public service announcements in English, Arabic and Urdu; coordinated an Islamic anti-terror religious ruling (fatwa); raised money for rebuilding churches in the wake of Middle East violence and called on Islamic religious leaders to deliver anti-terror messages in their sermons

And then you ask, what does the Muslim community do to stop the radicals? LOL

^^^^

I have to agree with zahmad here. Some on here are discrediting an organisation and all the positive things they do for the Muslim community because of some of their delegates have been accused of conspiracy.

I have no idea idea why CAIR is being discussed yet alone thought of as ‘dangerous’ - no doubt the CIA and FBI have ears on them.

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
^^^^

I have to agree with zahmad here. Some on here are discrediting an organisation and all the positive things they do for the Muslim community because of some of their delegates have been accused of conspiracy.

I have no idea idea why CAIR is being discussed yet alone thought of as ‘dangerous’ - no doubt the CIA and FBI have ears on them. [/quote]

No, a number of founders, directors and board members (the power that makes up CAIR) have been CONVICTED of supporting terrorism and are serving prison sentences.

[quote]zahmad wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]zahmad wrote:
What has CAIR been convicted of ? Many of the folks on your list are responded to in the pdf from CAIR. Imam Siraj Wahaj was listed as an unindicted coconspirator, and so was every other Muslim Imam known to the media, doesn’t make them guilty either.

Instead of continuing to post crap, why don’t you read the links anyone else posts? How about you do some fact checking instead of relying on the Islamophobic Investigative Project and FPM.[/quote]

Ha ha ha!

Denial is more than just a river in Egypt!

“But just because lots of CAIR people are convicted terror supporters doesn’t mean CAIR isn’t a peace-loving group of wonderful human beings!”

What a crock of bullshit.

You’re a joke.[/quote]

CAIR is a civil rights group. Here’s some of the things they do:

CAIR has its sent staff to Baghdad to appeal for the release of a kidnapped American journalist; produced anti-terror public service announcements in English, Arabic and Urdu; coordinated an Islamic anti-terror religious ruling (fatwa); raised money for rebuilding churches in the wake of Middle East violence and called on Islamic religious leaders to deliver anti-terror messages in their sermons

And then you ask, what does the Muslim community do to stop the radicals? LOL[/quote]

That’s like saying the Nazi’s overall were good because of the few things they did right.

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
^^^^

I have to agree with zahmad here. Some on here are discrediting an organisation and all the positive things they do for the Muslim community because of some of their delegates have been accused of conspiracy.

I have no idea idea why CAIR is being discussed yet alone thought of as ‘dangerous’ - no doubt the CIA and FBI have ears on them. [/quote]

No, a number of founders, directors and board members (the power that makes up CAIR) have been CONVICTED of supporting terrorism and are serving prison sentences. [/quote]

That’s addressed in their document.
http://www.cair.com/Portals/0/pdf/Dispelling_Rumors_about_CAIR.pdf

CAIR is not a terrorist organization. They have thousands of volunteers, of course some of them may have radical views, that doesn’t mean CAIR is radical by any means. Guilty by association isn’t valid evidence.

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

That’s like saying the Nazi’s overall were good because of the few things they did right.

[/quote]

LOL way to take something out of context.

I can’t believe you just compared CAIR to the Nazis.

EDIT: Thinking about it, the closest thing you could compare CAIR to is probably the tea party. Mostly a bunch of people with good intentions but a few have radical views (CAIR being a voluntary org while the Tea Party is a political org).

[quote]zahmad wrote:

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
^^^^

I have to agree with zahmad here. Some on here are discrediting an organisation and all the positive things they do for the Muslim community because of some of their delegates have been accused of conspiracy.

I have no idea idea why CAIR is being discussed yet alone thought of as ‘dangerous’ - no doubt the CIA and FBI have ears on them. [/quote]

No, a number of founders, directors and board members (the power that makes up CAIR) have been CONVICTED of supporting terrorism and are serving prison sentences. [/quote]

That’s addressed in their document.
http://www.cair.com/Portals/0/pdf/Dispelling_Rumors_about_CAIR.pdf

CAIR is not a terrorist organization. They have thousands of volunteers, of course some of them may have radical views, that doesn’t mean CAIR is radical by any means. Guilty by association isn’t valid evidence.[/quote]

These aren’t run of the mill volunteers dumbass, these were founding members, board of directors and regional directors. These are the people that set the agenda and the direction for CAIR.

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

That’s like saying the Nazi’s overall were good because of the few things they did right.

[/quote]

LOL way to take something out of context.

I can’t believe you just compared CAIR to the Nazis.

EDIT: Thinking about it, the closest thing you could compare CAIR to is probably the tea party. Mostly a bunch of people with good intentions but a few have radical views (CAIR being a voluntary org while the Tea Party is a political org).
[/quote]

Really? How many Tea party directors or founding memmbers have been convicted of financing war against the US. How many have been convicted of sending money to terrorists? Care to retract your statement?

^^ Dog if that were the case they wouldn’t be around today. You’re sensationalising facts and routinely ignoring the fundamental purpose of the organisation; to help the Muslim community and related issues.