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The Making of 'Untold History of the United States'

A different perspective than what they teach in school via the books mostly funded by large corporations.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=9353

Sorry, what history books are “mostly funded by large corporations?”

Oliver Stone?

Just, lol…

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Its not so much untold as that the winners write the history books its the same everywhere. Word choice. Who you are depicting as the heroes and villains some of that is the choice of the one telling the tale. I don’t know that it is corporations that push it so much as society as a whole. Things that make you as a people look bad eventually get fictionalized or elided.

[quote]groo wrote:
Its not so much untold as that the winners write the history books its the same everywhere. Word choice. Who you are depicting as the heroes and villains some of that is the choice of the one telling the tale. I don’t know that it is corporations that push it so much as society as a whole. Things that make you as a people look bad eventually get fictionalized or elided.[/quote]

Such is the case for all of recorded human history. It isn’t like the “evil corporations” in the 21st century invented this practice, which is in large part why this post is a joke. (Also ignoring your valid point that it isn’t the “evil corporations” that are doing it.)

If anyone anyone expects Oliver Stone to put forth anything remotely close to the truth (unless it was an American weakness) they are folling themselves. The man hates America, and re-writes stories to fit his narrative.

This is a good example from an article from the left-wing Daily Beast site showing how Stone/Kuznick attempt to cover up their lies with distorted source citations:

'When discussing Reagan-era tensions with Moscow, Stone and Kuznick bizarrely claim that the CIA “knew that the Soviets, for all of their faults, actually discouraged terrorism.”

This is laughable for anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the plethora of terrorist groups the Soviet Union were funding and training at this time - PLO, the PFLP, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Carlos the Jackal, Baader Meinhoff, the Jaoanese Red Army, the IRA etc.

So what’s Stone’s/Kuznick’s source for this ridiculous assertion? Go to the footnotes and you’ll find the citation to a “hopelessly outdated” book: Bob Woodward’s controversial 1987 History of Bill Casey’s CIA. Even Woodward only states that:

“…there were some cases in which [the Soviets] had actually discouraged terrorism,” when it suited their strategic interests. Within a few sentences Woodward goes on to clarify that Moscow provided assistance to terror networks “particularly through their satellites East Germany and Bulgaria.”

So that’s how it’s done. Stone and Kuznick claim that the Soviet Union discouraged terrorism and that the CIA knew it. They use a quote from a book written before the collapse of the Soviet Union when huge amounts of material became available. And they completely distort the meaning of the quote. See how they just manipulate a quote and build a lie from it?

As The Daily Beast points out the opposite was in fact true:

"As Cambridge University historian Christopher Andrew wrote in his book The Sword and the Shield, using archival material made available after the Soviet Union’s collapse, “[Soviet Premier Yuri] Andropov became increasingly willing, both as KGB chairman and as Brezhnev’s successor from 1982 to 1984, to use, or connive in the use of, terrorism against United States and NATO targets.”

And when they want a quote from a reputable source on some crazy claim what do they do?

From The Daily Beast:

'A passage on the Gehlen Organization - a group of former Nazis recruited to assist Allied intelligence after World War II - cites the assessment of “a retired CIA official” who judged the intelligence provided by the group to be “hyped up Russian boogeyman junk”

Well a quote from a former CIA official? That sounds pretty convincing right? Well, go to the footnotes and you discover that:

'the “former official” is one Victor Marchetti, an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist whose work can be read in various Holocaust denial journals (he also claims that “We have, indeed, been contacted - perhaps even visited - by extraterrestrial beings,” though the government has covered up the interactions).

So that’s their source? Now do you see how ridiculous it is passing this fiction off as history?