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The Great Global Warming Swindle

My feeling is that regardless as to where you fall on this issue; when Science is manipulated and/or bastardized to support a political/religious view; EVERYONE loses.

Mufasa

This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas

[quote]pittbulll wrote:This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]I am very glad to see you finally get it.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]I am very glad to see you finally get it.
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x2. Alternative shit can wait for a bit while we figure out how ween off of foreign oil (funny because we import most of our oil from Canada and Mexico).

CS

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]
Are you suggesting that fracking somehow affects earthquakes?
You can’t be that stupid.

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]
Are you suggesting that fracking somehow affects earthquakes?
You can’t be that stupid.[/quote]

I makes Gaia weep and when she weeps she shudders.

Or some such.

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]
Are you suggesting that fracking somehow affects earthquakes?
You can’t be that stupid.[/quote]

I do not know if your post is or not . For the purpose of civility I will answer. I do not know and no one knows but thet are approaching it BALLS TO THE WALL fast .

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]
Are you suggesting that fracking somehow affects earthquakes?
You can’t be that stupid.[/quote]

I makes Gaia weep and when she weeps she shudders.

Or some such. [/quote]

Heavy shit, man :slight_smile:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]
Are you suggesting that fracking somehow affects earthquakes?
You can’t be that stupid.[/quote]

I do not know if your post is or not . For the purpose of civility I will answer. I do not know and no one knows but thet are approaching it BALLS TO THE WALL fast .
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Earthquakes are the result of continental plates shifting, fracking(in fact anything humans have ever done with geology) literally barely scratches the surface. Not only does someone know this, but anyone having taken middle school geology would know this.
Obviously, I was wrong and you are just an alarmist idiot.

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]
Are you suggesting that fracking somehow affects earthquakes?
You can’t be that stupid.[/quote]

I do not know if your post is or not . For the purpose of civility I will answer. I do not know and no one knows but thet are approaching it BALLS TO THE WALL fast .
[/quote]

Earthquakes are the result of continental plates shifting, fracking(in fact anything humans have ever done with geology) literally barely scratches the surface. Not only does someone know this, but anyone having taken middle school geology would know this.
Obviously, I was wrong and you are just an alarmist idiot.[/quote]

And what are your credentials ? I did not say fracking caused or causes anything . I said we are approaching an area that we do not know the consequences and proceeding full steem ahead .

Do you know if fracking has ruined ground water supplies . I will tell you I know the answer

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]
Are you suggesting that fracking somehow affects earthquakes?
You can’t be that stupid.[/quote]

I do not know if your post is or not . For the purpose of civility I will answer. I do not know and no one knows but thet are approaching it BALLS TO THE WALL fast .
[/quote]

Earthquakes are the result of continental plates shifting, fracking(in fact anything humans have ever done with geology) literally barely scratches the surface. Not only does someone know this, but anyone having taken middle school geology would know this.
Obviously, I was wrong and you are just an alarmist idiot.[/quote]

And what are your credentials ? I did not say fracking caused or causes anything . I said we are approaching an area that we do not know the consequences and proceeding full steem ahead .

Do you know if fracking has ruined ground water supplies . I will tell you I know the answer[/quote]

Stop using the word “we” for fuck’s sake. You don’t speak for the energy companies or all the people affected adversely or otherwise by fracking. Just because you don’t understand the difference in magnitude between the energy of a continental shelf slipping and fracking doesn’t mean “we don’t know” you ignorant fuck.
Also who the fuck asks for credentials for something grade-schoolers learn on a regular basis. Maybe I should ask for your credentials for claiming that ground water with industrial chemicals mixed in it is safe to drink? While I’m at it maybe I should check for a dimploma to see if you know the formula for water?

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]
Are you suggesting that fracking somehow affects earthquakes?
You can’t be that stupid.[/quote]

I do not know if your post is or not . For the purpose of civility I will answer. I do not know and no one knows but thet are approaching it BALLS TO THE WALL fast .
[/quote]

Earthquakes are the result of continental plates shifting, fracking(in fact anything humans have ever done with geology) literally barely scratches the surface. Not only does someone know this, but anyone having taken middle school geology would know this.
Obviously, I was wrong and you are just an alarmist idiot.[/quote]

And what are your credentials ? I did not say fracking caused or causes anything . I said we are approaching an area that we do not know the consequences and proceeding full steem ahead .

Do you know if fracking has ruined ground water supplies . I will tell you I know the answer[/quote]

Stop using the word “we” for fuck’s sake. You don’t speak for the energy companies or all the people affected adversely or otherwise by fracking. Just because you don’t understand the difference in magnitude between the energy of a continental shelf slipping and fracking doesn’t mean “we don’t know” you ignorant fuck.
Also who the fuck asks for credentials for something grade-schoolers learn on a regular basis. Maybe I should ask for your credentials for claiming that ground water with industrial chemicals mixed in it is safe to drink? While I’m at it maybe I should check for a dimploma to see if you know the formula for water?
[/quote]

You are going to have to share this Grade School book or what ever that says you can not effect the Techtonic Plates from above

OH we we we fuck you :slight_smile:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]
Are you suggesting that fracking somehow affects earthquakes?
You can’t be that stupid.[/quote]

I do not know if your post is or not . For the purpose of civility I will answer. I do not know and no one knows but thet are approaching it BALLS TO THE WALL fast .
[/quote]

Earthquakes are the result of continental plates shifting, fracking(in fact anything humans have ever done with geology) literally barely scratches the surface. Not only does someone know this, but anyone having taken middle school geology would know this.
Obviously, I was wrong and you are just an alarmist idiot.[/quote]

And what are your credentials ? I did not say fracking caused or causes anything . I said we are approaching an area that we do not know the consequences and proceeding full steem ahead .

Do you know if fracking has ruined ground water supplies . I will tell you I know the answer[/quote]

Stop using the word “we” for fuck’s sake. You don’t speak for the energy companies or all the people affected adversely or otherwise by fracking. Just because you don’t understand the difference in magnitude between the energy of a continental shelf slipping and fracking doesn’t mean “we don’t know” you ignorant fuck.
Also who the fuck asks for credentials for something grade-schoolers learn on a regular basis. Maybe I should ask for your credentials for claiming that ground water with industrial chemicals mixed in it is safe to drink? While I’m at it maybe I should check for a dimploma to see if you know the formula for water?
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You are going to have to share this Grade School book or what ever that says you can not effect the Techtonic Plates from above
[/quote]

Shouldn’t I first go find the physics book that says that you can’t scratch a slab of granite with a pencil?

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]
Are you suggesting that fracking somehow affects earthquakes?
You can’t be that stupid.[/quote]

I do not know if your post is or not . For the purpose of civility I will answer. I do not know and no one knows but thet are approaching it BALLS TO THE WALL fast .
[/quote]

Earthquakes are the result of continental plates shifting, fracking(in fact anything humans have ever done with geology) literally barely scratches the surface. Not only does someone know this, but anyone having taken middle school geology would know this.
Obviously, I was wrong and you are just an alarmist idiot.[/quote]

And what are your credentials ? I did not say fracking caused or causes anything . I said we are approaching an area that we do not know the consequences and proceeding full steem ahead .

Do you know if fracking has ruined ground water supplies . I will tell you I know the answer[/quote]

Stop using the word “we” for fuck’s sake. You don’t speak for the energy companies or all the people affected adversely or otherwise by fracking. Just because you don’t understand the difference in magnitude between the energy of a continental shelf slipping and fracking doesn’t mean “we don’t know” you ignorant fuck.
Also who the fuck asks for credentials for something grade-schoolers learn on a regular basis. Maybe I should ask for your credentials for claiming that ground water with industrial chemicals mixed in it is safe to drink? While I’m at it maybe I should check for a dimploma to see if you know the formula for water?
[/quote]

You are going to have to share this Grade School book or what ever that says you can not effect the Techtonic Plates from above
[/quote]

Shouldn’t I first go find the physics book that says that you can’t scratch a slab of granite with a pencil?[/quote]

Well you are the one that knows all , I am asking for proof

http://rt.com/usa/news/fracking-earthquake-virginia-dc-817-061/

There seem to be some geologists that disagree with the all knowing all too human

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
This is Right wing Political WHACK JOBBERY run amok . We are fracking many areas . Drilling huge holes in the ground , pumping who knows what in the ground , fracturing the foundation of Earth . And does anyone know the consequences ? Many of these fracking sites are over major AQUIFERS . Maybve we can leave our world to the next Generations to be a Earth quake infested planet with no potable water . Who fucking cares . we need oil and gas [/quote]
Are you suggesting that fracking somehow affects earthquakes?
You can’t be that stupid.[/quote]

I do not know if your post is or not . For the purpose of civility I will answer. I do not know and no one knows but thet are approaching it BALLS TO THE WALL fast .
[/quote]

Earthquakes are the result of continental plates shifting, fracking(in fact anything humans have ever done with geology) literally barely scratches the surface. Not only does someone know this, but anyone having taken middle school geology would know this.
Obviously, I was wrong and you are just an alarmist idiot.[/quote]

And what are your credentials ? I did not say fracking caused or causes anything . I said we are approaching an area that we do not know the consequences and proceeding full steem ahead .

Do you know if fracking has ruined ground water supplies . I will tell you I know the answer[/quote]

Stop using the word “we” for fuck’s sake. You don’t speak for the energy companies or all the people affected adversely or otherwise by fracking. Just because you don’t understand the difference in magnitude between the energy of a continental shelf slipping and fracking doesn’t mean “we don’t know” you ignorant fuck.
Also who the fuck asks for credentials for something grade-schoolers learn on a regular basis. Maybe I should ask for your credentials for claiming that ground water with industrial chemicals mixed in it is safe to drink? While I’m at it maybe I should check for a dimploma to see if you know the formula for water?
[/quote]

You are going to have to share this Grade School book or what ever that says you can not effect the Techtonic Plates from above
[/quote]

Shouldn’t I first go find the physics book that says that you can’t scratch a slab of granite with a pencil?[/quote]

Well you are the one that knows all , I am asking for proof
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Are you fuckin serious? You want me to go find a middle-school geology book?
Look asshole, I distinctly remember learning in 8th grade geology that large continental plates were 100+ miles thick. It was right before we started learning about the hardness scale.
If you want a source for this: here you fucking go.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/tectonic.html

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
http://rt.com/usa/news/fracking-earthquake-virginia-dc-817-061/

There seem to be some geologists that disagree with the all knowing all too human[/quote]
Jesus Christ! Who gives a fuck what these assholes think. there are scientist that believe that aliens built the pyramids too.
The fact of the matter is that making a connection between the amount of energy hydrolic fracturing releases and a fucking 5.8 earthquake is just as fucking absurd.
A 5.8 magnitude earthquake is what you would get directly over a 200 megaton nuke going off underground.
You really want to continue to speculate that hydrolic pressure pumped from the surface 1% deep into the crust is responsible?

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
My feeling is that regardless as to where you fall on this issue; when Science is manipulated and/or bastardized to support a political/religious view; EVERYONE loses.

Mufasa[/quote]

This issue has been so incredibly politicized, that I don’t think unbiased information is available. However a few facts are pretty clear.

  • Anything that exists on the planet affects the planet, large or small.

  • The available amount of climate data, is extremely small. 120 years is almost too small to even consider. Therefore climate models based off of that small amount of data is very unreliable.

  • It’s been trending warmer lately.

  • Climate is cyclical if history is a judge. Climate has historically gotten warmer and colder.

  • Climate has thousands of variables.

  • The idea that climate changes are slow and consistent is wrong. There are periods of stagnation with large bumps in either direction that happens in short periods of time.

  • If we are quickly approaching the top of the warmth curve, we should be starting a cooling cycle, soon. It does not trend infinitely in either direction.

  • Panic is unwarranted, if damage is done it cannot be undone.

  • Efficiency is the greenest philosophy, not ad hoc band aids.

  • Hybrids fucking suck, they are toxic as fuck, and I want to make a huge pile of the and blow them to hell. They are not ‘green’ they just transfer the pollution.

  • Prius’s are gay and the people who drive them kill kittens for fun.