Some of the biggest talk I see on these forums is how Bro Splits suck because they dont offer enough frequency for each muscle group. Now Im not proponent of Bro splits, full body push pull exclusively. I am for whatever will get the trainee to be a trainee and not a sitting their ass on the couchee (Im sure thats a dirty word in a foreign language). But I think people are on glue or using extremely specific exercises if they think they are only hitting chest on chest day. To illustrate this i will write out the most basic bro split and the muscle groups included in each exercise.
I think you see where Im going with this and can fill in the rest. The only muscle group I can see jumping out is quads (depending on your deadlift style). The other muscle groups just have a primary mover day and sometimes very frequent secondary mover days. So is the cure to the frequency āissueā with bro splits to throw leg extensions on chest or back day. Or do people blow this out of proportion and the most important factor is hard work.
There is indirect stimulation, as you have noted with ābrosplitsā And yes people do blow this out of proportion. Also, if you want to bring up lagging quads I guess you could do that (not sure how effective it would be)
lol the only hard work worth doing is the one that makes you better then yesterdayā¦ or more financially well off but this isnt that type of forum lol
Iām not speaking for anyone else but the reason I donāt like most bro splits that a lot of beginners write up and ask if āweā like their program, is because they either have too much volume (lots of redundant exercises) or they donāt use many compound movements.
Or they donāt work legs, a bit like your sample bro split.
Other than those typical faults I can definitely see the benefits of a bro split.
This is true. I fƬnd alot of what people say is just following flavour of the week. Or the latest thesis proven correct by any means necessary based off whoever is sponsoring it. Just trying to tell people to get into the gym and figure out whay works for them.
I left out legs and shoulders because i didnt feel like writing out an entire week just to show exercises work multiple muscle groups, if that is what you meant. When I said extensions on chest or back day I didnt mean it as the only leg exercise of the week lol that would be hilarious though.
I understand. I also feel like my point still stands.
I see many bro splits with way too much chest volume.
I see many bro splits with only isolation exercises.
I see many bro splits with legs omitted.
I personally like to train the movements and the body as a whole, rather than just work the muscle. That is why I donāt do bro splits. Thatās just me though.
I was just discussing this earlier with Brad (@BrickHead) and we came to a simple conclusion (this might actually be our next podcast topic -lol). The two types who are trying to carry the torch of anti-bro-split/full body every damn day are:
-inexperienced trainers who fail to realize the limitations of available studies being applicable to non-beginner body builders and latch onto one specific aspect at the disregard of all else.
-trainers/coaches/anyone who had to make a living from constantly doling out new and improved advice, articles, and reasons to pay them mind and/or money. Usually in this case, whatever the community mindset amongst those who have some experience and education on the topic, the fitness author will manage to disagree for some reason. This can either serve to reinforce in their rabid fans how unique a thinker their hero is, or it can simply be an attention catching device as they will now be the topic of discussion among those who donāt typically need their advice.
I hear ya man but if your talking about working movements, motor patterns, coordination, and specificity it is much different then the main goal of most bro splits. Putting on muscle without necessity to have that muscle produce maximal force in a specific lift.
lol - Iām sure plenty of people will agree once they stop and think about it for a moment.
Brad and I both have a similar commute after work, so we spend an easy hour on speaker phone in our respective cars each afternoon. We joke that if we could record the bodybuilding related discussions we usually have, theyād be pretty entertaining to throw up online.
lol a moderator changed the name of my thread completely so that it seems like im arguing against my own point. it originally said āam i the only one to noticeāā¦ meaning am i the only one to notice that there is no issue woth the frequency in bro splits.