[quote]spittle8 wrote:
orion wrote:
Should I start pontificating about some important Austrian political issue?
You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about, so why talk? If nothing else, the children of illegal immigrants have poisoned our schools in the south and brought down entire generations with their influence. The jobs they take could be filled by prison labor. Chain gangs, much? Much better for America to have low-level offenders under watch picking fruit than some folks who will just hurt America. We have no obligation, moral or otherwise, to help poor Mexicans. We have enough poor Americans as it is, why help some people we have no obligation towards when we haven’t even helped out American poor?
So you think Americans have a greater obligation to help Americans than Mexicans, you are for slave labour for people caught with weed, you think that Mexican children could actually spoil a socialist school system that quadrupled its spending per child without getting better results and yet you want to lecture me on Austrian economics?
Please, go ahead!
Plus, spoiling whole generations with their influence?
Initiative, hard work, tight families, a healthy distrust towards government and stupid rules?
They are keepin the American dream alive!
OF COURSE American governance has more obligations towards its own citizens. What are you even saying?
If I broke the law, I wouldn’t be complaining about having to pick fruit and making a couple bucks an hour towards cigs, or some valuable prison comodity. Big deal. Can’t take a little work? Then don’t commit the crimes. Maybe a little hard labor will truly REHABILITATE prisoners!
I don’t think, I know. I’ve read enough on California schools, and I’m from Texas, so I know how bad it is there. I remember when I enrolled in high-school, I had to bend over backwards to prove I was a resident, while, at the same time, an illegal, who admitted he had “just arrived yesterday” and was not a citizen, and spoke not a lick of English, was in classes that day.
They form gangs and ruin schools. They create a culture of shit that permeates all and poisons our youngest generation. They got my best friend into drugs it now appears. Why are you even contesting the argument? Have you even read anything on this, much less experienced any of it?
My friend told me how Mexican kids would run through the halls with Mexican flags, chanting in Spanish, and when he got the balls to run with an American flag, he was almost expelled, not to mention the threats of violence. Good thing he can handle 5 guys at a time.
I never said anyting about Austrian economics. However, I imagine that, after a little mild searching on Wikipedia, I’d be more prepared to argue Austrian economics than you are to argue American immigration policies.
"Initiative, hard work, tight families, a healthy distrust towards government and stupid rules?
They are keepin the American dream alive!"
That is just infuriating. You don’t know how disgusting those words are to me. How would you feel if I expunged upon the merits of Austrian neo-Nazis, and how they were the TRUE Austrians? That’s only a bit more disgusting than what you just said.
You exhibit stunning ignorance, combined with the terrible trait of someone who thinks they can arbitrate an opinion on matters they know nothing of. I was that way a couple years back, at 14, but you grow out of it.
Tight families? The sons become criminals, the girls skanks and young Mothers, and they hit their kids. Hard work? Out in the fields, maybe, but the guys cutting grass are NOT hard workers, nor are the folks in the suburbs and big cities. They’re more like parasites than hard workers. Criminals have initiative. These ARE criminals.
A healthy distrust towards government? There’s a difference between trusting government and invading a foreign nation and flaunting the law of the land. They don’t work with the government. Trust? All that matters to them is how the government treats them. If there’s a push for anti-illegal immigrant legislation, they riot. I was there in Dallas last time that happened. They only care about themselves.
You really shouldn’t be pontificating on this issue. I won’t argue the merits of the E.U., and you shouldn’t argue American immigration policies or our culture, what is American, and the measure of a group that you know absolutely NOTHING about.[/quote]
I agree with the basics of what you are saying Spital, but there is no reason to disrespect the Nationality of Mexico. I am from Arizona and am a self employed Carpenter and other trade like worker. The illegal immigration issue seriously affects my income. But the majority of Mexicans are great people.
I feel the easiest way to fix the problems is go after any one that hires an illegal. I see my neighbor�??s landscape crews, and would bet I could pick out the illegal. It may be the beginning of a Nation ID badge. I don�??t like the sound of it but it may be necessary. When you are working you must wear your ID giving you the right to be employed in the U.S.