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The Clinton Legacy

“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.”

— Bill Clinton
USA Today on 3/11/93, page 2a

as quoted in Wiki.

Yes that sounds about right. They weren’t concern with our rights. Actually, bush isn’t terribly concerned with our rights. Is anybody converned with preserving our rights?
I damn sure can’t handle 8 more years of clinton.

[quote]pat36 wrote:
Yes that sounds about right. They weren’t concern with our rights. Actually, bush isn’t terribly concerned with our rights. Is anybody converned with preserving our rights?
I damn sure can’t handle 8 more years of clinton.[/quote]

Gentlemen,

Let’s hold our fire until rodham is the nominee.

We want her to thrive.

Everyone should get on board the rODHAM EXPRESS!!!

JeffR

As pointed out by others in several other posts, there is not much difference between Clinton and Bush, Republican and Democrat( as far as candidates not ideals). If Americans keep a two family dynasty going for another four years, then we deserve the end result.

[quote]storey420 wrote:
As pointed out by others in several other posts, there is not much difference between Clinton and Bush, Republican and Democrat( as far as candidates not ideals). If Americans keep a two family dynasty going for another four years, then we deserve the end result.[/quote]

storey,

As usual, you’ve got it all wrong.

rodham>>>>>>>>>>> all Republicans.

Clear?

Thanks.

JeffR

I have included all the things that can be credited to Clinton as his legacy, the the bull dyke will have about 1/2 of his accomplishments if we slip and fall.

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That is all.
Hillbillary >>>>>>>> mistake than every other candidate. All parties included

[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
I have included all the things that can be credited to Clinton as his legacy, the the bull dyke will have about 1/2 of his accomplishments if we slip and fall.

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That is all.
Hillbillary >>>>>>>> mistake than every other candidate. All parties included
[/quote]

Frankly, that would mean that he was an extraordinary president.

You would have to be pretty stupid to pretend the US voter has the choice between Hillary and perfection. They don’t. They have the choice between something rather decent, and absolute shite.

They’ll go for the shite. They did so the last two times.

[quote]reckless wrote:
You would have to be pretty stupid to pretend the US voter has the choice between Hillary and perfection. They don’t. They have the choice between something rather decent, and absolute shite.

They’ll go for the shite. They did so the last two times.[/quote]

I encourage everyone to vote for rodham.

Let’s get the ball rolling!!!

She’s tough. She’s principled. She’s has a tremendous track record of achievement.

Let’s do this!!!

rodham in 2008!!!

JeffR

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
You would have to be pretty stupid to pretend the US voter has the choice between Hillary and perfection. They don’t. They have the choice between something rather decent, and absolute shite.

They’ll go for the shite. They did so the last two times.[/quote]

I’m sure Vince Foster would agree with your assessment. Remember him? Hillary’s special ‘friend’ who checked into the White House but never checked out? His body was found in a nearby park.

How’d he get out of the White House, one of the most secure places on earth, and there’s no record of him leaving? I guess its hard to sign out when you’re in the trunk of a car.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
You would have to be pretty stupid to pretend the US voter has the choice between Hillary and perfection. They don’t. They have the choice between something rather decent, and absolute shite.

They’ll go for the shite. They did so the last two times.

I’m sure Vince Foster would agree with your assessment. Remember him? Hillary’s special ‘friend’ who checked into the White House but never checked out? His body was found in a nearby park.

How’d he get out of the White House, one of the most secure places on earth, and there’s no record of him leaving? I guess its hard to sign out when you’re in the trunk of a car.

[/quote]

Hmmmm, probably just the “vast right wing conspiracy”. :-]


The following is a list of dead people connected with Bill Clinton:

-James McDougal Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

-Vince Foster Former White House councelor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

-Ron Brown Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investi-gation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

-C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

-Paul Tulley Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.

-Ed Willey Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

-Jerry Parks Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

-James Bunch Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

-James Wilson Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

-Kathy Ferguson Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

-Bill Shelton Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.

-Gandy Baugh Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

-Florence Martin Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

-Suzanne Coleman Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

-Paula Grober Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

-Danny Casolaro Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

-Paul Wilcher Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

-Jon Parnell Walker Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

-Barbara Wise Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

-Charles Meissner Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

-Dr. Stanley Heard Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

-Barry Seal Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.

-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

-Stanley Huggins Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

-Hershell Friday Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

-Kevin Ives & Don Henry Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

  • Keith Coney Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988.

  • Keith McMaskle Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

  • Gregory Collins Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

-Jeff Rhodes He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

-James Milan Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

-Jordan Kettleson Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

-Richard Winters Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan

I tell you this, I’d be weary of taking a cigar from these people. I heard their humidor is kind of fishy.

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
The following is a list of dead people connected with Bill Clinton:

-James McDougal Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

-Vince Foster Former White House councelor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

-Ron Brown Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investi-gation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

-C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

-Paul Tulley Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.

-Ed Willey Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

-Jerry Parks Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

-James Bunch Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

-James Wilson Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

-Kathy Ferguson Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

-Bill Shelton Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.

-Gandy Baugh Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

-Florence Martin Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

-Suzanne Coleman Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

-Paula Grober Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

-Danny Casolaro Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

-Paul Wilcher Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

-Jon Parnell Walker Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

-Barbara Wise Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

-Charles Meissner Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

-Dr. Stanley Heard Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

-Barry Seal Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.

-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

-Stanley Huggins Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

-Hershell Friday Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

-Kevin Ives & Don Henry Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

  • Keith Coney Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988.

  • Keith McMaskle Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

  • Gregory Collins Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

-Jeff Rhodes He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

-James Milan Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

-Jordan Kettleson Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

-Richard Winters Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan [/quote]

Wow! That’s quite a body count!

But Wreckless says to vote for this crowd…so they MUST be okay.

[quote]pat36 wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
The following is a list of dead people connected with Bill Clinton:

-James McDougal Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

-Vince Foster Former White House councelor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

-Ron Brown Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investi-gation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

-C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

-Paul Tulley Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.

-Ed Willey Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

-Jerry Parks Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

-James Bunch Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

-James Wilson Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

-Kathy Ferguson Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

-Bill Shelton Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.

-Gandy Baugh Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

-Florence Martin Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

-Suzanne Coleman Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

-Paula Grober Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

-Danny Casolaro Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

-Paul Wilcher Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

-Jon Parnell Walker Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

-Barbara Wise Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

-Charles Meissner Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

-Dr. Stanley Heard Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

-Barry Seal Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.

-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

-Stanley Huggins Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

-Hershell Friday Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

-Kevin Ives & Don Henry Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

  • Keith Coney Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988.

  • Keith McMaskle Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

  • Gregory Collins Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

-Jeff Rhodes He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

-James Milan Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

-Jordan Kettleson Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

-Richard Winters Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan

Wow! That’s quite a body count![/quote]

I love how you suddenly take this crack pot semi-seriously when he takes your side.

This conspiracy is as real as loose change.

[quote]orion wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
I have included all the things that can be credited to Clinton as his legacy, the the bull dyke will have about 1/2 of his accomplishments if we slip and fall.

"

                                  "

That is all.
Hillbillary >>>>>>>> mistake than every other candidate. All parties included

Frankly, that would mean that he was an extraordinary president.

[/quote]

He sure was. How many other presidents in history has been impeached and yet not removed from office?

A cold north wind blows across the White House lawn the morning after the snow storm the night before.

Bill Clinton arises at his usual 6.00am, pulls back the curtains, flings open the balcony window and breathes the crisp morning air.

Embedded in piss in the virgin white snow directly beneath him is a message “Clinton must die”.

Clinton calls his secuity: what the F*£k are you guys playing at allowing an assassin into the White House grounds and giving them time to take a piss and leave a message. I want this analysed and I want whoever is responsible in custody by lunchtime.

At midday his chief of security returns. Well sir, we’ve got some bad news and some worse news.

Whats the bad news?

We’ve DNA’d the piss and it belongs to Al Gore.

Al Gore! Al Gore! my closest most loyal allie in the world. Jesus I’m sunk. My best buddies are turning against me.

So what in the hell is worse news than that.

Its Hilary’s handwriting.

Gazz

[quote]Lorisco wrote:

He sure was. How many other presidents in history has been impeached and yet not removed from office?

[/quote]

Andrew Johnson.