[quote]Professor X wrote:
Not to rain on your parade too much, but those average numbers in my experience for most young (late teens-early 20’s) guys in their first year or 2 of training regardless of whether they gained 30+ (you didn’t specify whether or not you were still dieting) lbs of fat to go with it or not.
I always love reading posts like this. These numbers are not average. They are not elite, but average, I don’t think so. Most 18-22 year olds are deadlifting in the 3’s, maybe squating in the 3’s, and likely benching in the mid 2’s. Just because in your experience 5/4/3 D/S/B is average doesn’t actually make it average.
What is even the point of your post, to point out how much better the average lifter is than the guy you addressed? [/quote]
Agreed! I was disappointed to see this from a member I generally repsect.
If you train at a college gym where the athletes train maybe…but not average in commercial gyms, not average in most private gyms. [/quote]
Agreed. I am not here to shit on anyone else’s progress…but it sure seems that is what most of these other people are here for.
I created this thread to discuss the topic I presented.
if you don’t like that topic or think it has been discussed too much, why would you post here just to say that?
No, I am not going to debate with 5-10 people all at the same time just because some of you seem to ONLY try to literally shit on anything I post lately.
Some of you are becoming straight up assholes shitting on other people’s progress.
That is not what I am here for.
To the people who thanked me, you are welcome. Post more and help change these boards from this current tripe.[/quote]
Aren’t you the guy who said once that if you werent able to bench 405 as a natural within 3 or so years of training, you weren’t cut out for lifting weights?
My point was that his progress, while good, doesn’t prove the superiority of any method because its totally within the realm of possibility for kids his age with a few years of dedicated training. FFS, I even stated as much that I wasn’t shitting on his progress. I outright said it in the first sentence of my post.
We’re talking about a slightly less than 1.5x bw bench, less than 2x bw squat, and 2.5x bw deadlift.
Those numbers are nowhere near extraordinary enough to add an additional 15% of your bodyweight in fat to achieve.