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The Bastards Caved...

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
THIS is the crap that often is like stangling me while pooring salt in my open wounds…

(P.S. Anyone have a link to where and how the votes broke down, Representative by Representative?)[/quote]

This is the god’s honest truth. The first thing I thought of when i saw that picture was “hand granade”.

[quote]AssOnGrass wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:

To hear people talk of privatizing social security and giving my life savings (as shitty as they may be) to the people we just gave 700 billion to, is beyond ludicrous. Or do really think they will treat that different?

The fact you actually trust the government with YOUR money is beyond belief. If you make a modest $36,000 per year that is 4,464 dollars being taken out for social security every year. Now if you do a little homework I guarantee you will see more of that upon retirement than you will see from the government.

Social security is a tax… not a savings plan. It’s deducted from your paycheck into the pocket of Uncle Sam. You are forced to give them a no interest loan, most likely one that won’t be payed back to you if you are under the age of 40.

Give me a rational answer why government run retirement is a good idea?[/quote]

I am long past 40 and I have paid into this all my life and now that I am within 10 years of withdrawing it, no I don’t want it improved by the same people that just cost you 700 billion dollars.

At this point we are surrounded by thieves. You just supported a 100 million dollar payout to a toy arrow company. They blackmailed everyone into supporting this nonsensical bailout. Yes, lets change social security and make sure you make these peope richer.

Wall Street destroyed the banking industry, so the government can give everyone $1000 or $2000 per year and hand that money over to a “government contractor” to protect you.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
THIS is the crap that often is like stangling me while pooring salt in my open wounds…

When these hacks rape the public, then turn around and take these “We Are The World” photo-ops, holding hands, and singing “Kumbaya”…as they proceed to tell me all they did “for the American People”…and how they are about “protecting” the American People…

Damn.

Mufasa

(P.S. Anyone have a link to where and how the votes broke down, Representative by Representative?)[/quote]

Did anyone actually watch the cspan coverage of these shits?

One guy actually said they need to help the “small people”… and he wasn’t talking midgets.

I don’t understand the constant “we are getting calls 50 to 1 against this but you need to do the right thing” commentary. YOUR JOB IS TO DO WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT!

And the Dow drops… and keeps dropping.

Lmfao.

;_;

I’m with RJ 100% on this one. If your rep voted for this, vote for the other guy. No matter what. Show these fuckers the American people can’t just be stepped on!!!

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
WHY, PRAY TELL, does somebody trust ANYBODY else, nevermind this, especially in light of current events, spectacularly discredited government to manage their retirement?

That thought is absolutely beyond my ability to mentally process. [/quote]

I was on another board where they were discussing the bailout. One dude said that while he didn’t like the idea of allowing the government to give money to corporations, he thought it best to “let the experts in Washington sort out this mess.” I couldn’t believe it. I have zero faith in the national government.

[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:

To hear people talk of privatizing social security and giving my life savings (as shitty as they may be) to the people we just gave 700 billion to, is beyond ludicrous. Or do really think they will treat that different?

The fact you actually trust the government with YOUR money is beyond belief. If you make a modest $36,000 per year that is 4,464 dollars being taken out for social security every year. Now if you do a little homework I guarantee you will see more of that upon retirement than you will see from the government.

Social security is a tax… not a savings plan. It’s deducted from your paycheck into the pocket of Uncle Sam. You are forced to give them a no interest loan, most likely one that won’t be payed back to you if you are under the age of 40.

Give me a rational answer why government run retirement is a good idea?

I am long past 40 and I have paid into this all my life and now that I am within 10 years of withdrawing it, no I don’t want it improved by the same people that just cost you 700 billion dollars. At this point we are surrounded by thieves.

You just supported a 100 million dollar payout to a toy arrow company. They blackmailed everyone into supporting this nonsensical bailout. Yes, lets change social security and make sure you make these peope richer.

Wall Street destroyed the banking industry, so the government can give everyone $1000 or $2000 per year and hand that money over to a “government contractor” to protect you.[/quote]

Go beyond “privatized SS” and how about that $4,464 per year working for you paying down debt and using it towards your own social security. Manage your own money. With a little homework it’s not too difficult to get a modest return. Or use a financial adviser to do it for you.

My thought process is refund anyone under the age of 40 their social security contributions and let the people above 40 collect. If they want it refunded too they can petition for it.

I want to use my money how I wish. If people are too stupid to save for their own SS then fuck them. They spent it how they wished.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml

For Mufasa and others.

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
And the Dow drops… and keeps dropping.

Lmfao.

;_;

I’m with RJ 100% on this one. If your rep voted for this, vote for the other guy. No matter what. Show these fuckers the American people can’t just be stepped on!!![/quote]

I’m young… but I’ve never felt so violated by my country. Is it time to give that america charging itself with treason thread a chance? Maybe those canucks were onto something.

[quote]dhickey wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:

Bob Barr '08 (we can wish, right?)

After the bailout vote in the senate, I bought a hat, a shit, and yard sign and paid for a lifetime membership to the libertarian party.

Another 2 good years in the corporate world and i’m out. time to send the wife back to work and run as libertarian for local office. This shit is out of fucking control. that may be my campaign slogan.[/quote]

I’ll move to your district… where about?

Score one more for North Idaho. I didn’t vote for Bill Sali the first time, but between voting no both times on the bailout and his stand (albeit rather toothless) against the BATFE this guy has my vote for a long time.

mike

[quote]AssOnGrass wrote:
dhickey wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:

Bob Barr '08 (we can wish, right?)

After the bailout vote in the senate, I bought a hat, a shit, and yard sign and paid for a lifetime membership to the libertarian party.

Another 2 good years in the corporate world and i’m out. time to send the wife back to work and run as libertarian for local office. This shit is out of fucking control. that may be my campaign slogan.

I’ll move to your district… where about?[/quote]

Minnesota. You don’t want to live here. It’s a liberal paradise. one of the highest taxing states. buisinesses are leaving by the bus load. Most of them probably going to texas. extremely powerful teachers union. shit, were even wasting money on mass transit. I thought light rail had failed in enough communities, but I guess not.

I love MN too much to leave, despite the political mess, but if I were going to move anywhere it would be the Dallas area.

[quote]dhickey wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
dhickey wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:

Bob Barr '08 (we can wish, right?)

After the bailout vote in the senate, I bought a hat, a shit, and yard sign and paid for a lifetime membership to the libertarian party.

Another 2 good years in the corporate world and i’m out. time to send the wife back to work and run as libertarian for local office. This shit is out of fucking control. that may be my campaign slogan.

I’ll move to your district… where about?

Minnesota. You don’t want to live here. It’s a liberal paradise. one of the highest taxing states. buisinesses are leaving by the bus load. Most of them probably going to texas. extremely powerful teachers union. shit, were even wasting money on mass transit. I thought light rail had failed in enough communities, but I guess not.
[/quote]

Sounds a lot like here actually

I was against it…

McCain Rejects Broad U.S. Aid on Mortgages
March 26, 2008
SANTA ANA, Calif. – Drawing a sharp distinction between himself and the two Democratic presidential candidates, Senator John McCain of Arizona warned Tuesday against vigorous government action to solve the deepening mortgage crisis and the market turmoil it has caused, saying that “it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly, whether they are big banks or small borrowers.”

…before I was for it.

McCain Suspends Campaign to Help With Bailout
September 24, 2008
“America this week faces an historic crisis in our financial system,” McCain said in mid-afternoon remarks to reporters in New York. “If we do not act, every corner of our country will be impacted. We cannot allow this to happen.”

It looks like McCotter of Michigan voted “no”…twice…

He stuck to his basic beliefs.

You’ve got a good Representative, Michigan.

His speech needs to be sent to Nancy Pelosi and all those in Congress who Voted for this fiasco:

Mufasa

McCotter again…and a bit more angry:

Mufasa

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
BRAVO! BRAVO! A tip of my tin-foil hat…

99.9% perfect execution…
A day after chaotic bailout vote, Congress quiet on Jewish New Year
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/congress/29944699.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUec7PaP3E77K_0c::D3aDhUiacyKUU

Division of congressional posts seems to favor Jewish issues
WASHINGTON, Jan. 9 (JTA) – The new Congress doesn’t just feature more Jews in powerful positions than the community has seen in more than a decade–it also features more friendly faces across the board, Jewish leaders say.
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20070110Divisionofcongress.html

Jewish groups are expecting action with Democrats controlling Congress
WASHINGTON, Jan. 2 (JTA) – With Democrats in charge of the new U.S. Congress convening this week, it’s a time of well-wishing, wish lists and wishes come true for an array of national Jewish groups…

http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20070110Divisionofcongress.html

PROTOCOL No. 6
[i]1. We shall soon begin to establish huge monopolies, reservoirs of colossal riches, upon which even large fortunes of the GOYIM will depend to such an extent that they will go to the bottom together with the credit of the States on the day after the political smash.

  1. You gentlemen here present who are economists, just strike an estimate of the significance of this combination!

  2. In every possible way we must develop the significance of our Super-Government by representing it as the Protector and Benefactor of all those who voluntarily submit to us.

  3. The aristocracy of the GOYIM as a political force, is dead - We need not take it into account; but as landed proprietors they can still be harmful to us from the fact that they are self-sufficing in the resources upon which they live.

It is essential therefore for us at whatever cost to deprive them of their land. This object will be best attained by increasing the burdens upon landed property - in loading lands with debts. These measures will check land-holding and keep it in a state of humble and unconditional submission.

  1. The aristocrats of the GOYIM, being hereditarily incapable of contenting themselves with little, will rapidly burn up and fizzle out.[/i]

PROTOCOL No. 8
[i]2. We shall surround our government with a whole world of economists. That is the reason why economic sciences form the principal subject of the teaching given to the Jews.

Around us again will be a whole constellation of bankers, industrialists, capitalists and - THE MAIN THING - MILLIONAIRES, BECAUSE IN SUBSTANCE EVERYTHING WILL BE SETTLED BY THE QUESTION OF FIGURES.

  1. For a time, until there will no longer be any risk in entrusting responsible posts in our State to our brother-Jews, we shall put them in the hands of persons whose past and reputation are such that between them and the people lies an abyss, persons who,

in case of disobedience to our instructions, must face criminal charges or disappear - this in order to make them defend our interests to their last gasp.[/i]

PROTOCOL No. 9
[i]3. For us there are not checks to limit the range of our activity. Our Super-Government subsists in extra-legal conditions which are described in the accepted terminology by the energetic and forcible word - Dictatorship…

  1. The people have raised a howl about the necessity of settling the question of Socialism by way of an international agreement. DIVISION INTO FRACTIONAL PARTIES HAS GIVEN THEM INTO OUR HANDS, FOR, IN ORDER TO CARRY ON A CONTESTED STRUGGLE ONE MUST HAVE MONEY, AND THE MONEY IS ALL IN OUR HANDS.[/i]

PROTOCOL No. 10
[i]17. By such measure we shall obtain the power of destroying little by little, step by step, all that at the outset when we enter on our rights, we are compelled to introduce into the constitutions of States to prepare for the transition to an imperceptible abolition of every kind of constitution, and then the time is come to turn every form of government into OUR DESPOTISM.

  1. The recognition of our despot may also come before the destruction of the constitution; the moment for this recognition will come when the peoples, utterly wearied by the irregularities and incompetence - a matter which we shall arrange for - of their rulers, will clamor:

“Away with them and give us one king over all the earth who will unite us and annihilate the causes of disorders - frontiers, nationalities, religions, State debts - who will give us peace and quiet which we cannot find under our rulers and representatives.”[/i]

[i]"The whole method of the Protocols may be described in one word Disintegration.

The undoing of what has been done, the creation of a long and hopeless interim in which attempts at reconstruction shall be baffled, and the gradual wearing down of public opinion and public confidence, until those who stand outside the created chaos shall insert their strong, calm hand to seize control - that is the whole method of procedure…

The indication that they are highly satisfied is that they are not only not doing anything to relieve the world situation, but are apparently willing to have it made worse.

The privations which are scheduled for it (unless Gentile flabbiness before the Jewish power, high and low, receives a new backbone), will bring the United States to the verge, if not across the very line, of Bolshevism."[/i] --Henry Ford
[/quote]

Wow! That’s some scary shit!

The way to save an economy drowning in debt is to burden it with more?

And they couldn’t resist tacking on all that pork, like the subsidy for riding your bike to work?

I like Sarah Palin but will be voting Libertarian.

[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:

Wow! That’s some scary shit!

[/quote]

You are rather new so let me explain JTF to you…He is antisemitic to the degree that would make a nazi blush…It is best to ignore him.

ah yes someone criticizes the jewish and the first reply is “you’re antisemetic gtfo”

why don’t we apply this logic when discussing other groups of people ? that way we can avoid talking about anything !

I read somewhere that these funds could “potentially” be used to pay off foreign entities. I will try to find the article when I have some spare time.

Anyone know if there is any truth to this?