[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
During the movement, the dumbells dig into your sides unless you forcefully contract your lats and hold your arms a few inches away from your body.[/quote]
I’m no expert… but I’m pretty sure the lats are not a shoulder abductor.
The bigger the dumbells, the more difficult this becomes. Doing a partial iron cross hold with heavy dumbells’s is no joke. Doing it while simultaneously front squatting elevates the difficulty to a whole other level.[/quote]
Maybe if you were front squatting that would be the case, but I don’t think holding them at your side qualifies.
You can’t hitch the 'bells up and ride them up your legs as you would a bar.[/quote]
Umm… why COULDN’T you hitch when doing this movement? Besides, when the hell do you ride a bar up your legs?
There’s no shortening the ROM by taking a wide stance, because your knees have to be close enough to let the DB’s pass on the ascent.[/quote]
I’ll give you that, although I don’t think squatting with a narrow stance is neccessarily a good thing for athletes.
The heavier the weight, the narrower stance you must take. So you are forced to do a quad-dominant, a2g squat, [/quote]
Maybe it’s just my monkey arms, but I get nowhere near ATG when doing this. The bells hit the floor about 6" or so before I get to the fully bottom position.
that is even more difficult than it would be with a bar because you have to grip the load and you cannot heave it up with your back as easily as a bar.[/quote]
That’s the only thing more difficult about this, you have to grip the weight while you do it. Your grip is going to give out long before you get to a weight that would be able to do much of anything for your leg strength. And how exactly can you not “heave it up with your back as easily”? Just… straighten you legs earlier. In fact, I would say it’s MUCH EASIER to good-morning this one up then with a barbell. Shit, just ask anybody to pick up a light dumbell and look what they do: all back.
Bars are inferior to dumbbells. They allow people to use various tricks to shorten their ROM and lift more weight without actually getting stronger. The bells don’t give people the same opportunity. That’s why I said this exercise would hit powerlifters the hardest.[/quote]
Damn… so that’s been the problem with all those powerlifters. They haven’t actually gotten stronger, they only squat 600+ by shortening their ROM! Give 'em some 50 pound dumbells and they’ll fall right over!
Balance & flexibility are heavily called into play, just look at the extreme position of the girl when she reaches the bottom.[/quote]
WTF is the “extreme position” of which you speak? It looks like she’s about 4-5" below parallel and practically doubled over at the waist.
Think some barely-able-to-walk fat lifter with a 50" gut could do that? [/quote]
Yes… yes as a matter of fact I do.
Also it [obviously] involves core strength, aerobic capacity, and more. Basically, if a modality exists in the field strength & conditioning, it can be trained with this exercise. It can be used to train sprinters and bodybuilders and weight lifters and everyone in between.[/quote]
No… no it OBVIOUSLY does NOT neccessarily involve aerobic capacity. Do you know what “aerobic capacity” is? Do one rep of those and tell me how much of your aerobic capacity was used. I suppose sprinters and bodybuilders could both use these, but the last I checked most of them are doing just fine with more useful exercises such as barbell squats.
I almost feel like this post was a joke, you said so much stuff that was just… retarded. I don’t understand. There’s nothing magical about a damned dumbell squat. They’re good for some things, such as a change of pace, a way to get the bar of the back (although I’d say belt squats would be superior if you have access) and work on some grip and core strength. However, your grip is going to give out before you get to meaningful weight and you’re definity MORE likely to hurt yourself doing these because the natural inclination is to let the dumbells drift out front and straighten the legs too early and lift it with your back.
Some of the things you’ve said have made me honestly question whether you’ve actually done a dumbell squat before.