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That's Right, Another Newbie


#1

I have been reading fairly extensively on cycle planning and have a pretty good idea on what I want to do, I just am wanting some possible tweaks if anyone finds any issues with my planned cycle. A little background: I did a cycle of Test ( forget what kind) and Deca about 7 years ago, with zero science behind it and consider myself lucky to not have gotten any serious and permanent sides from it, (no PCT and no AI during cycle, I know…stupid). For all intents and purposes this is what I am considering my first “real” cycle, and before diving head first into a situation that could permanently fry my endocrine system, I am looking for a little reassurance for what i have planned. So here it goes:

Cycle:
W 1-10 : Test E 300mg/E3D
W 1-8 : Deca 300 mg/EW
W 2-10 : HCG 350iu/ E3D *
W 1-10 : ADEX .5mg/EOD

PCT:
W 10- 12: ADEX .25 mg/EOD
W 12-16 : ADEX .125 mg/ EOD
W 12-13 : Clomid 25mg/EOD *
W 13-14 : Clomid 12.5mg/EOD
W 14-15 : Clomid 6 mg/ EOD
W 15-16 : Clomid 3 mg/EOD

  • A few notes: The HCG 350iu E3D is because I don’t have ready access to needles or gear for that matter, I have the amounts planned out but I can only get so much at once.

I also have access to Nolva if anyone feels it is that much superior to Clomid for PCT. Currently the Nolva will be standby for Gyno symptoms, thats why i didn’t want to also use for PCT.

One last thing, I have a good friend also hopping on gear with me, planning on using same protocol minus the Deca.

I think thats about it. Not trying to get flamed here, just a guy who has done it really wrong in the past trying to do it right this time. I know there is a ton of knowledge on this forum and I am all ears.

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#2

Your cycle is fine. I personally wouldn’t touch Deca but lots of people do with great results.


#3

Thanks for the reply. I’ll post updates once I start in October.


#4

oh wait, sorry, just noticed your PCT is weird.

I’m old school - I believe the 50mg clomid for 4 weeks is best


#5

Yeah I was thinking about @KSman’s post about most of the SERM protocols being too high? I figured seeing as how I will be doing HCG throughout and somewhat trying to maintain LH function i wouldn’t need super high doses to start out with, and then I could taper off after the first week? But some of that might be completely misguided I still don’t fully understand all of this. You are saying PCT should run something more like Clomid 50/50/50/50 per day while tapering off Adex at the same time, with both ending the same week correct? Thanks for the help


#6

#7

for your PCT, i’d suggest dosing 25 mg clomid ED for 6-8 weeks. plenty of science on that… no reason to go much higher or lower, tho.


#8

Thanks for the guidance. Appreciate it.

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