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Testosterone Booster Synergies?


This is probably a good question for Bill. Please anyone chime in though. There are a lot of Test boosters out there now and its a little confusing what to spend your money on. Do certain ones have a synergistic effect with others?

If money wasn't an issue would taking TRIBEX/Alpha Male, ZMA, Rev-Z, and Receptormax all together produce the most dramatic increase? Or is there a ceiling with products like this where you are only going to get to a certain level and taking all of these products would be a waste?

Please let me know what you would recomend if moeny was not an issue and what you would recomend in a "best bang for your buck" fashion.

The literature for these products is very interesting but it doesn't talk much about how much of an increase you would expect to see on average. TRIBEX was the only one i think to actually throw numbers out there.

Lets say you are 35 years old, train five days a week and are slightly overtrained(read low zinc) Then you add all 4 products above... what percentage increase in testosterone is to be expected?


As a biosig practitioner one piece of advice I will offer with regards to natural test boosters is that they can work but need to be cycled FREQUENTLY! Effective protocols are changed every 8-16days!!

Not to say other stuff can't work but, Charles has a great line of things and I have witnessed the results frst hand with my clients, they just need to be used at the right intervals (times of day and duration) to get the kind of results you would expect from them. Hope this helps a little.



Calcium D-Glucarate + Vitamin D

I hear resveratrol as actually a pretty weak anti-E. If your test is truly low, the above stack won't really do much for you and you may need HRT.


any guess on percentages... like would a 10% increase and testosterone be expected? Would that be a lot, a little, or even make a large difference?


Haha, sorry man, I think I've jacked your thread!


Just to keep this thread from going down the wrong road.. I don't have low T. I want high T. The question is asked from a normal guy perspective. Not as an alternative to HRT.


Well, 10% of "very little" is still "very little."


you make a valid point, hmmm I don't have low T, but I'd like more of course.


Thanks a lot for the info. I will look up his stuff. I'm curious if the cycling stuff is more for a supplement like Trib then a supplement like Receptormax, rev-z or ZMA. Trib can cause a negative bio-feedback loop where I think the other two would not.

At least I don't think. Kinda hoping Bill chimes in on this one to clear some of this stuff up. Thanks everyone for the replies.


Cycling is particularly important in terms of botanicals. 8 days is reall about the longest you would want to stay on them. The best way to raise test NATURALLY is to make sure it is not getting wasted, there are many different things that can happen to even the most meticulous of supplementers that can result in a waste.

It is omportant to determine the objective, e.g. prevent aromitization, provide sufficient raw materials, etc. focus on one goal at a time for 8 days at a time and continue to rotate and you will be pleased with the outcome.

2 simple things that can make a huge difference are 1. be sure you are getting enough Zinc and 2. If you express the MTFHR gene (stinky asparagus pee) be sure to supplement sufficient methyl donors.


I guess I have the MTFHR gene since that happens to me when I eat asparagus (sorry for admitting something that gross). Still, what's a "methyl donor", do you have an example of something that has this?


Methyl donors would be B vitamins (lots of them) and NAC (just make sure to supplement vitamin C 3:1). Depending on your relation with your doctor you could get inj. B-12 and Fobic tabs to cove ryour B vit needs or Poliquin's Methylator 2.0 and/ or Fast Brain are both also great for this purpose.


wait... i thought everyone's piss smelled when they ate asparagus... that means u have an odd gene?

sry, but this sounds like quack medicine


Asparagus, a green vegetable belonging to the lily family, has one notorious side effect for some diners who eat enough of it. Within a half-hour of asparagus consumption, some people notice their urine has acquired a very pungent odor, often compared to rotting cabbage, ammonia or rotten eggs. The effects of asparagus on urine are generally fleeting and harmless, but it's not necessarily the consumer's finest hour, bodily excretion-wise.

The good news is that asparagus does not affect everyone. Studies conducted on the "asparagus urine" phenomenon (aren't you glad you didn't volunteer!) indicate that roughly 40 to 50 percent of those tested developed the distinctive odor. Surprisingly enough, there is also a segment of the population who cannot smell the sulphurous fumes of asparagus-laced urine. It is believed that both the generation of the odoriferous urine and the ability to smell it are based on genetics. Only those with a certain gene can break down the chemicals inside the asparagus into their smelly components, and only those with the proper gene can smell the results of that chemical breakdown.

Scientists are still not entirely sure which set of chemicals or amino acids contained in asparagus actually cause the smelly pee. The stalks themselves do not acquire a similar odor as they are prepared, so whatever happens most likely happens after ingestion. Experts believe that those with a certain gene produce a digestive enzyme which breaks down the asparagus into various amino acids. One of those compounds is called methyl mercaptan, which is the same chemical which gives a skunk its defensive smell. One theory suggests that asparagus breaks down quickly in the body and an enzyme releases methyl mercaptan, which eventually goes through the kidneys and is excreted as a waste product in the urine.

Others suggest that the asparagus smell is created by other amino acid compounds called thioesters. There is also an amino acid called asparagusic acid, which is not surprisingly found primarily in asparagus. If these compounds are broken down and mixed with the genetically-created enzyme, the results could be a strong smelling urine. This smell is actually considered to be good news, since it proves that the asparagus eater's kidneys are functioning as they should.


If I don't eat asparagus frequently, then why would I need a methyl donor? is there any other use for "methyl donors" other than making asparagus pee not smell bad? Any implications for testosterone or estrogen?


If I don't eat asparagus frequently, then why would I need a methyl donor? is there any other use for "methyl donors" other than making asparagus pee not smell bad? Any implications for testosterone or estrogen?


Asparagus is just the "field test" for the presence of the MTFHR gene. If your pee stinks then you do need methyl donors and even when you take them your pee will stink but the gene will be turned off. Dr. Houston a leading genetisist has done studdies on this and it is one of the things we are taught in biosig.

It isn't anything life threatening, you simply have a higher need for B vitamins and other methyl donors. What you will notice, if you have the gene and you take my advice is better concentration, higher natural test levels and lower estrogen.