Testosterone Blood Work Results

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I’m not saying that your e2 wasnt high or that you had aching joints. I’m saying the aching joints wasn’t because of your e2. Low e2 causes aching joints and your e2 was high. Oily skin is usually due high DHT levels in men. I agree that your e2 probably needs to be managed and an AI would be a good place to start like arimidex/anastrazole but I’m still confused about your previous labs.

You also didn’t answer any of my previous questions in my first post.

Yes, I was under constant stress at the time. It was mainly caused by my OCD tendencies, and I was worrying all the time. During the time I tested at 220 ng/dl, I was weight lifting and eating too much protein thinking it would help promote more muscle mass. I ended up testing two weeks later using bulgarian tribulus and the result was 383 ng/dl. I was definitely more irritable and lacked energy/confidence during this time. Now, I am very calm, laid back and more confident. It wasn’t until I read about the benefits of sunbathing on testosterone that I started feeling much better. A few years back in the summer, I decided to expose my chest and back for 1 hour daily in 100 degrees weather (Texas). During this time, I experienced a huge boost in libido and erection quality. I was also in my prime physical shape. This past week I have been doing the same routine as far as sunbathing, and once again my libido increased drastically. I believe sunlight is the key to keeping optimal testosterone. As far as porn in concerned, I have diminished the frequency from 2-3 times a day (13-16 years old) to 1-2/week currently. I agree with you on the relationship between porn and ED, and plan on stopping soon.

You didn’t do this with a T value of 921 ng/dl, drug free. For natural lifters with good genetics, it will take years, up to a decade for some, to build 40 pounds of muscle, let alone what can happen in six months, which is not much, except for the first six months of training, and that’s taking into account that a beginner it so dedicated that he does things ideally, which most don’t do.

How old are you? Men bald at some point in their lives, and some do rapidly once they start to. [

These values are in the normal range, so no. But then again, I am not an expert on baldness.

Your estradiol value is normal. There are many men who are just fine with an estradiol value of 50 or below, including myself. I’ve tested at 45 to 50 and I’m fine. This obsession with estradiol needing to be in the 20’s is just that, obsession.

You’re T cannot be too high naturally, unless you have some endocrinological conditions that with which we are unfamiliar.

Dude, I don’t mean to be condescending but you sound awfully hypochondriacal!

  1. All your values are normal. They show no signs of any disorder. If you’re concerned about disorders, take a yearly physical examination and/or do more blood testing.

  2. Energy levels fluctuate from day to day, or even from one timeframe to another. You’re not a bionic man or a machine, and none of us are! Anyone here have a bad day, or even a few bad days in a row in regards to motivation, fatigue, and energy levels?

  3. Men lose hair. Get over it!

  4. Sunbathing does not raise T values to any significant degree, if at all!

  5. There’s no special food or special diet with a specific macronutrient allotment that significantly alters testosterone levels. None!

  6. People with intact kidneys do not have to restrict protein. Excess protein eaten but not used for protein synthesis is used for energy.

  7. People who work out intensely, even with good form and warming up and stretching and all of that, will experience achy joints and other ailments at times.

  8. Sex drive fluctuates, even with normal hormonal values, sometimes on a daily basis, or even for a longer period of time. It depends on the state of the body and mind.

I highly doubt, from what you’re telling us, that you have any health issues at all.

I’m not sure how much muscle mass I gained relative to fat/water gains, however, I did jump from 170-208 in 6 months. I recently checked my body fat percentage, and i’m at 10.8%. Therefore, I couldn’t have gained much fat. Also, I don’t retain water very well being very chiseled. If I get 8 hours of sleep, my test levels could very well been over 1000+ ng/dl, which explains why I can eat 4000+ calories and still lose body fat given that I’m somewhat active. I am OCD, which is why I can obsess about such issues to an extreme. You say sunbathing insignificantly raises testosterone if at all. Well, there was a thread where one guy increased his testosterone from mid 200’s to 800’s through sunbathing and diet. He stated that his overall well being increased during the summer months and went into depression sometime in November. These are the only variables he changed. Therefore, sunlight must have a significant effect here. This also explains why pregnancy rates are highest in summer. Also, you must be deficient in vitamin D to begin with to yield such an effect since vitamin D helps your body utilize cholesterol more efficiently. Thus, someone who isn’t deficient in vitamin D may not yield a significant increase in testosterone from sunbathing. Micronutrients definitely affect testosterone. I had a huge surge in energy, libido and facial hair growth by taking a organic, whole food multivitamin. For instance, zinc lowers aromatase and hence can help decrease E2 levels given that you’re deficient. B vitamins reduce stress hormones and counteract cortisol. Since there is an inverse relationship between cortisol and testosterone, it makes sense that b vitamin intake can yeild positive results for maintaining healthy testosterone levels. Also, how do you think my testosterone increased from 221-927 from the age of 18 to 25?

Then you are one unique individual, a freak amongst millions upon millions of people.

A value of 1000 does not make you a mutant, and if you are not gaining fat on 4,000+ calories by being somewhat active, then, again, you are highly unique.

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You say sunbathing insignificantly raises testosterone if at all. Well, there was a thread where one guy increased his testosterone from mid 200’s to 800’s through sunbathing and diet. He stated that his overall well being increased during the summer months and went into depression sometime in November. These are the only variables he changed.
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I don’t know what to make of this without getting more detail on this particular man’s situation. I still don’t believe that sunbathing brings men from hypogonadal values to high normal values.

What about the other habits of people in the summer? It could be a variety of factors as to why there are more pregnancies during summer, one of them being that people are scantily clad, have more fun, go on more vacations, and so on, and in all this, fornicate more.

A proper diet without a multi-vitamin can have one with normal functioning just fine. I highly doubt you grew a thicker beard because you took a multivitamin. There are starved people who still grow facial hair.

Look, if you want to fret over all this shit, that’s fine. People do just fine eating meat, vegetables, fruits, tubers, grains, nuts, and dairy products with no supplements, most of which don’t do a damn thing.

Perhaps puberty did not end in your teenage years. Who knows? I don’t.

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I value your opinions and do not have enough understanding and feel of different E2 levels but this sounds like you’ve taken a leaf out of an old endo’s book. We have discussed this before and you agree normal is not normal for someone else. So what we apply to T, we can apply to E as well. His E2 is high.

There are also many men who feel fine with low T and you and me are not one of them so it’s important to not just go with the “normal range is right” thing. Though i do agree on some of your other points.

Your E2 is high and your T:FT ratio is not the best, so you may have higher than optimal SHBG. If you systematically reduce E2, you will reduce SHBG and increase FT. This will make you feel better, i would think.

I actually assumed mt e2 levels were high before the test was taken, so I supplemented with zinc picolinate. What would you suggest to lower e2 levels in my case? I know boron may potentially help, but the study used a small sample size.

Doubt the efficacy of supplements. You can use low dose anastrozole in EOD doses.

When I first started TRT my doctor told me to take grapeseed extract to lower E2. I don’t know if it works, my E2 seems to always be low, but it might be worth a try.

IF your E2 is high, what are you symptoms of high E2?

Is E2 would be considered high normal by my doc (and yes, I know, docs are not gods). Anyway, he didn’t state any symptoms of E2 aside from fatigue, which can be caused by a number of things. My doc only gives AI’s to those with symptoms AND abnormal lab results (for E2).

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Your E2 is a mess that is decreasing FT and inflating TT. This will mess with energy and libido.

Do not ignore the implications of thyroid issues and iodine. You have already ignored a suggestion to see if body temperatures are normal. See thyroid basics stick for related references. Thyroid function has a may effects and can lead to many of the same symptoms of low T.

E2 is high partly because your liver is not clearing estrogens properly. Liver tests AST/ALT can indicate if liver is stressed. Some drugs/meds, Rx and OTC can interfere with estrogen clearance.

Well I recently went to New Mexico for my undergraduate degree in Geology. We hiked a lot of miles through mountainous terrain, and it was very physically demanding. I was also eating a ton while I was there, but the food was very low quality. I ate burritos from a gas station almost every day, and a lot of pizza/pasta, exc. I was full of energy before the trip. My energy levels were so high I couldn’t sleep til 2-3 A.M. most nights. After the trip, I started noticing more fatigue and my energy levels took a hit. I wonder if I had a spike in e2 levels due to poor eating habits, which lowered my free testosterone. I wish I took blood work before the trip to compare results when my energy was much higher. My libido, however, is much higher now compared to a few months back. I just experience slight ED, but it has improved slightly since I implemented zinc into my diet.

As far as body temperature is concerned, I don’t have the device in order to check it. I do, however, sweat a lot and always feel warm. I also take a multi with sufficient iodine, so my thyroid should be in check. I have trouble gaining weight unless I eat a lot of calories. Otherwise, I lose weight quick

These life stressors you describe have little to no impact on your hormone levels! So you were tired from being on the go and perhaps not feeling yourself from some poor sleep and crappy food. Most people get over this without hormonal checking.

I suppose in the short term, poor eating habits won’t have an impact on hormone levels. The degree of fatty deposits in your liver is negatively correlated with testosterone, and poor eating habits leads to fatty liver disease over time. An example of this was documented in “Super Size Me,” where one guy developed fatty liver and ED over a span of a month eating nothing but McDonalds. He did, however, take it to the extreme as far as calories are concerned. I’m not against eating fast food at all since its cheap and convenient at times. All I’m saying is that it’s much easier to develop “fatty liver” on a poor diet devoid of nutrients. I definitely agree with you that I should stop obsessing and just live my life regardless of my hormone profile.

A thermometer from the pharmacy costs about the same as a happy meal.

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