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Test E - How to Fix Cycle??

This is my first cycle. I am not getting the positive aspects of my test e and am asking for suggestions on what is the best course of corrective action to take.

I am on day 38 of a 70 day cycle (10 weeks)

w1-5: 10mg Dbol 3x/d
w1-10: 250mg test E E3D
w1-6: Proviron 25mg/d
w7-10:Proviron 50mg/d
w1-5: Adex 50mg/d (to combat Dbol aromatization)
w6-10: Adex 25mg/d
w1-10: hCG 250iu EOD

I bought my test e from an international source and it is labeled BD 10ml per vial at 250mg/ml. I picked up 3 vials. I am on my second vial after pinning 13 times to date. Next inject is scheduled for the day after tomorrow.

During these 38 days I gained 17.5 lbs and during the time I was taking Dbol, I did get stronger and had good training drive and energy. Since Monday of this week (4 days ago) when I finished the Dbol part of my cycle, my workouts have sucked.

I still have most of the strength, but it doesn’t seem to be increasing and the energy and drive is just not there. The Dbol bloat and accompanying strength is going down too and I have lost a pound or two in the last 4 days.

Being in week 6, there is no way that the test e has simply not kicked in yet. I don’t feel like I am crashing, but definitely seem to be lacking in the following:

  • strength increases
  • libido (so-so) (hCG??)
  • some wood overnight (hCG??)
  • drive & energy
  • morale
  • confidence

Not having the experience of what good test is supposed to feel like, I can only go by what I have picked up in my research of others’ experiences.

While those experiences vary somewhat, I think it is safe to say that one should definitely get a more dramatic reaction from quality test seeing as it is the foundation to any good cycle.

That said, we can assume that my gear in under dosed or one/some of the other compounds I am taking are undermining its effectiveness. I picked up the hCG & Proviron from the same source. I got the Dbol from a local source and I got the adex from a reputable chem research source.

Armed with this information, what is my best course of action?

  1. Get some test prop ASAP and finish my cycle of 500-600mg/w with EOD injections. Test prop since it is a fast acting ester and I cannot wait for a good batch of test e to kick in assuming mine is bad.

  2. Do PCT and regroup for another cycle at some point down the line.

  3. Other options??

I just want to feel a good drive in the gym and be able to progress in my training. Ramped libido and other benefits would be welcome too.

I was planning to transition from this cycle into HRT since my free T has been quite low for years now. I am 47 years old.

Any suggestions are welcome to help in the decision making process.

Well… for me with Test Cyp, I find that I don’t get anything at all until the end of the 5th week, and after the 6th.

Gains from dbol are so fundamentally different than test it is really not as straightforward as “kick starting” the gains from the test. The two effects are so different it is not an accurate description.

Dbol gives massive, QUICK strength, size… the lot, but it drops off faster than it comes on! Test E+C (depending on whose opinions you hear) are much slower, steady gains… where the gains are large and noticeable also but more graduated into…

Where it is more the final result that is the most noticeable result rather than being “on” the steroid itself…as is the case with dianabol.

This is likely what has happened here.. your only steroid experience has shown you something different to what you are experiencing with your current and kind of second steroid experience (the test).

If you had just used test by itself - with proviron and adex of course - then by the 5th week mark you would be still not in full swing IME.

I do use the longered estered Cyp, but by week 5 it usually just means 5-10lbs on the scale and a couple extra easy reps. THATS IT!
However, you wouldn’t fucking know what gains you have made or not as you were using another compound at the same time!

insert common recommendations here

It is common to “kick start” these test esters as waiting 5-6 weeks for anything noticeable is frustrating to say the least! So the use of a DIFFERENT and a very exciting drug is employed during this time while some more steady gains are slowly accrued from the t’rone.

Dianabol is a “feel-good” steroid. It is notorious for making its users feel fucking great. More so than test itself. You have just come off that… so wont be feeling quite as good, seeing you were on both test, proviron AND dbol.

You have just reduced your adex too… maybe bring that up a little again, some need a higher dosage than the 0.25mg ED… some use the full mg, thats not a recommendation, i am just saying - it happens.

PLUS on a final point, you mentioned low libido, morale, confidence etc… these issues are related to low testosterone by many but it is actually testosterones affinity to convert into the potent androgen Dihydrotestosterone that primarily give these androgenic effects/sides and even if the test you have is indeed bunk…

the proviron alone at 50mg a day for a (supraphysiological level) androgen naive person should be enough to keep mood and libido high and mighty.

There is the possibility that the feelings of low morale and confidence are not hormone related, or not anabolic hormone related at least. I suffer from depression whether on test or not… It is possible to feel shitty on gear too you know!

Hopefully i have given you something to think about before you go dropping the whole cycle, or adding a fourth or fith drug into the mix.
Basically all i am saying is you cant make the decision that your test is bunk with the info you have at this time. See it through.

You’ll know by week 8.
Use 50mg ED Proviron.
Run 0.5mg adex daily(get some bloods done to accurately assess your hormone levels)
sit tight and try not to over analyze into neuroses, which i suspect you do habitually.

Hope i helped a little…

Brook

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Brook,

Thanks for that amazingly insightful response. You have a knack for getting to the crux of matters. I meant to list finishing off the intended cycle as one of the options.

What you say about dbol is true. It makes itself “felt” with no uncertainty. Maybe you are right about libido too. Maybe I should go back to the 0.5mg/d dose.

My nipples don’t feel sensitive any more however and I hear that many don’t even need much Adex at 583mg test enanthate/w. I do plan on upping the Proviron to 50mg/d in 3 days until the end of my cycle so that should help with mood and libido as you say.

Yes, I hate the unknown. I dislike when the results that I get are different from what I expect. I don’t know if that makes me neurotic although I must say I have had more anxiety in recent years.

Good call on suggesting the blood labs. I meant to add that as an option too. It would be good to have a snapshot of total test, free test, E2, SHBG to shed light on my reaction to these compounds.

Also, encouraging to know that there is still hope of the test e to make itself felt in an unmistakeable fashion.

Thanks for the solid, pragmatic advice. It is just what the doctor ordered. You definitely helped a lot!!

Brook makes a few good points. But, if it were me, I’d say screw that shit and get some prop. You’re already on week 6. I wouldn’t wait 2 more weeks to maybe find out it’s still not kicking. I would rather finish out the last 4 weeks with prop and see some results before going through PCT.

And I still don’t understand why you never get post-injection soreness. Every muscle on your body is a virgin. Inject any kind of gear and it’s going to hurt a bit. Unless it aint gear. Toss it.

[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
Brook makes a few good points. But, if it were me, I’d say screw that shit and get some prop. You’re already on week 6. I wouldn’t wait 2 more weeks to maybe find out it’s still not kicking. I would rather finish out the last 4 weeks with prop and see some results before going through PCT.

And I still don’t understand why you never get post-injection soreness. Every muscle on your body is a virgin. Inject any kind of gear and it’s going to hurt a bit. Unless it aint gear. Toss it.

[/quote]

Thanks Shadow. I know I can always count on you for an educated opinion. That is indeed a viable option.

Problem is if I go for prop, I am back at square one. I can buy from my local source. I haven’t inquired what he charges, but he did say he had 15 ml vials of test e at 250mg/ml for $150. That would be a good price if it saves all the logistics of online ordering, customs, and waiting, and possibly receiving another batch of crap.

Plus it would fit in the timeline strategy to pick it up quickly locally. I am a bit suspicious about the local guy’s 15ml vials however since he didn’t mention them to me originally and touted his outrageously expensive amps. Also, prop is usually more expensive than enanthate from what I hear.

And yes, the “no pain” thing is a great benefit in the case of gear that kicks ass. Not so much in the absence of those results. I guess the only worse combination would be painful gear that turns out to be harmful heavy metal laden bunk. At least this shit seems benign.

Actually, the prop should be cheaper. Prop powders are much cheaper than -E and -C versions.

[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Problem is if I go for prop, I am back at square one.[/quote]

It’s either square one or pray like a SOB that your gear is real. If it’s bunk, everything you’ve gone through is down the drain. How many of the gains from the dBol do you honestly think you’re going to keep? The time, effort, frustration, everything, could have been in vain.

I would say get the prop and extend it to a 12 week cycle. You have 6 weeks of prop before you go off.

Whatever you do, do it quick. Before all the gains from the dBol are a faint memory.

Good luck Dyno.

Bonez217 wrote me this in PM. He said it was OK to add it to the thread.

BONEZ217 wrote:
Hey
I’ve been following your thread somewhat and read your most recent thread. You probably have no idea who I am, so I’ll apologize in advance for the abruptness of this message.

I’m in a similar situation right now, as I am in the middle of a ten week “cycle”. I quote ‘cycle’ because I’m pretty sure my shit is fake or severly underdosed as well. Im in week 8 and by this point I should have felt something. I know the frustration.

This is my third cycle. The first one with anything besides personally homebrewed gear. Im using mexican vet grade stuff that i picked up from a friend. The enanthate im using is labeled at 350mg/ml (which I didnt believe right off the bat,

But I figured that was just to make it sound appealing) I have not felt any pain whatsoever with this stuff, which is strange because of the high concentration. When I brewed 250 mg/ml stuff in the past with 2% BA there was always slight discomfort for a few days.

I kick started my cycle with prop, which i think was real because I got early gyno signs and bloat. Because of the sides I started arimidex around week 4 and have been running it since.

I think the arimidex is the cause of your problems. Lately ive felt run down and have had a low sex drive. I put 2 and 2 together sometime last week and realized that my estrogen was too low, even though I only use .25mg adex twice a week (on injetion days).

On 500mg you should have boundless energy and the “Alpha Male” mentality. You won’t feel the same as one does on dbol but the description of your current state is not synonomous with somone using 6x the amount of normal test production (give or take).

Im going to continue my cycle, just for kicks, but I am going to stop the arimidex and see if gyno signs come back.

Another thing
Bill Roberts told me that proviron, winstrol etc. the supposed SHBG lowering drugs are not all that they are cracked up to be, with regards to creating free T.

I don’t remember the post exactly but he said something along the lines of SHBG being responsible for ‘occupying’ less than a fraction of a percentage of total T. He made the post in a thread I started. I think the title was “winstrol for SHBG reduction” or something close. Take that for what its worth, but he’s a bright guy soo yea

Anyway keep your spirits up. Shit happens. Don’t lose sleep over this and don’t let this make you lose focus in the gym.

Sorry for the long message
I guess I just felt like venting to someone in a similar situation lol

[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
Problem is if I go for prop, I am back at square one.

It’s either square one or pray like a SOB that your gear is real. If it’s bunk, everything you’ve gone through is down the drain. How many of the gains from the dBol do you honestly think you’re going to keep? The time, effort, frustration, everything, could have been in vain.

I would say get the prop and extend it to a 12 week cycle. You have 6 weeks of prop before you go off.

Whatever you do, do it quick. Before all the gains from the dBol are a faint memory.

Good luck Dyno.[/quote]

I hear you buddy. I was toast in the gym again today and I’ve already lost 4 lbs. I think I’m going to give my local guy a call - quick…

[quote]5.0 wrote:
Actually, the prop should be cheaper. Prop powders are much cheaper than -E and -C versions.[/quote]

Thanks 5.0

hey on my next cycle of eq test e and proviron i was wondering how would 250 a week of test e and 250 a week test c work. or should i just stick with 500 of just one of them?

[quote]strych9v2 wrote:
hey on my next cycle of eq test e and proviron[/quote]

What does that have to do with this thread? Try starting your own thread and you might get more answers.

I am looking to replace the test e in my cycle with prop ASAP.


I like this one for hijackers better.

Both of those visuals (Shadow & Nich) definitely convey the message in no uncertain terms!!

I went to see my local guy today to price his prop and maybe buy enough to tide me over until on more reasonably priced international order could arrive. I explained that I have just come off 5 weeks of dbol. He repeated what Brook said earlier in this thread. He said it is normal to feel a couple of weeks of let down from the pronounced effects of the dbol. He said the test e is probably just fine. He said it was completely normal to lose the water weight after the dbol. He offered tren acetate, sustanon, cialis, etc., but at that moment I decided to finish my cycle as planned and learn from it before muddying the waters further. I am just going to have to suck it in and plow ahead.

That said I thank you all for your input.

The decision was made easier because of my precarious financial situation as well. I really am loathe to go further into debt at this juncture. I must wrestle the bull by the horns and work that down and then come out the other side in possitive territory.

It feels good to at least make a definitive decision and move forward as best I can.

Best,

Dyno