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Test E + Deca + Dbol for 12 Week Bulk...


#1

hi guys, im gonna start a new bulk/cut cycle on feb and get ready for the competition. just want to see what you guys think about.

stats: 23yo, 173 cm , 80 kg , 9% bf. been training for 5 years. this will be my 6 th cycle.
1-12 week test e 1200mg
1-12 week deca 600mg
1-5 week dbol 60mg
arimidex will be on eod , i want to use 2:1 ratio, because the deca dick problem,and 1 week off before switch to short esters
14-22 week test p 100mg eod
14-22 week tren a 150mg eod
14-22 week clen 80mcg 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
17-22 week winstrol 60 mg ed

pct : 1 week after the last shot start clomid at 100mg and nolwadex 40mg for 3-4 weeks.

diet: bulk
6am- 1 scoop serious mass
7am- 15egss (only 1 or 2 whole egg) with 3 pcs whole wheat bread and some peanut butter on
9.30am- 250gr chicken/100gr rice
12pm- 250gr beef cubes/100gr rice
2.30pm- 250gr chicken/100gr rice
5pm- 250gr beef cubes/100gr rice
7pm - 8pm at the gym
post workout 2 scoop optimum whey
9pm- 300gr tilapia fish/100gr rice
11.30pm 1 scoop casein protein

supps are ; weight gainer, whey, casein, bcaa, glutamine, nox, inta workout, creatine, multivitamins, and zma. every meal includes the steamed veggies like brocolli etc.
so its about 500gr protein, 600-700gr carbs, no junks/cheating so fat comes only from foods.
5000 more cals.

cutting diet will be same amount of protein , with only 2 times carbs at before/after meals

my goal from this cycle is reach to 100kg in bulking with increase bf around 13 -15 %, then cut to 90kg or near 95kg with 5 % bf.

any advises , recommendations will be welcomed.
regards


#2

[quote]cem sen wrote:
hi guys, im gonna start a new bulk/cut cycle on feb and get ready for the competition. just want to see what you guys think about.

stats: 23yo, 173 cm , 80 kg , 9% bf. been training for 5 years. this will be my 6 th cycle.
1-12 week test e 1200mg
1-12 week deca 600mg
1-5 week dbol 60mg
arimidex will be on eod , i want to use 2:1 ratio, because the deca dick problem,and 1 week off before switch to short esters
14-22 week test p 100mg eod
14-22 week tren a 150mg eod
14-22 week clen 80mcg 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
17-22 week winstrol 60 mg ed

pct : 1 week after the last shot start clomid at 100mg and nolwadex 40mg for 3-4 weeks.

diet: bulk
6am- 1 scoop serious mass
7am- 15egss (only 1 or 2 whole egg) with 3 pcs whole wheat bread and some peanut butter on
9.30am- 250gr chicken/100gr rice
12pm- 250gr beef cubes/100gr rice
2.30pm- 250gr chicken/100gr rice
5pm- 250gr beef cubes/100gr rice
7pm - 8pm at the gym
post workout 2 scoop optimum whey
9pm- 300gr tilapia fish/100gr rice
11.30pm 1 scoop casein protein

supps are ; weight gainer, whey, casein, bcaa, glutamine, nox, inta workout, creatine, multivitamins, and zma. every meal includes the steamed veggies like brocolli etc.
so its about 500gr protein, 600-700gr carbs, no junks/cheating so fat comes only from foods.
5000 more cals.

cutting diet will be same amount of protein , with only 2 times carbs at before/after meals

my goal from this cycle is reach to 100kg in bulking with increase bf around 13 -15 %, then cut to 90kg or near 95kg with 5 % bf.

any advises , recommendations will be welcomed.
regards
[/quote]

Dude. 1.2g of test a week is ALOT. Especially for your weight and size.
You could yield the same gains from 750g of Test and 600g of Deca.

I would know because I have ran that cycle 3 times. Unless you are 250+ pounds thats just overkill IMO.


#3

thanks for reply, i go for 1.2gr because i want to use 2:1 ratio, deca shut down very hard and at this dosage will be higher, but im also thinking 900mg test e , 600 deca , and dianabol. also what u think about the diet and cutting phase dude?


#4

as the cycle is very long i can drop the doses little bit as well;
1-12 week test e 750mg
1-12 week deca 450mg
1-5 week dbol 60mg
arimidex will be on eod ,and 1 week off before switch to short esters
14-22 week test p 100mg eod
14-22 week tren a 75mg eod
14-22 week clen 80mcg 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
17-22 week winstrol 60 mg ed
pct : 1 week after the last shot start clomid at 100mg and nolwadex 40mg for 3-4 weeks.

this would be ideal and better i think, what u think?


#5

[quote]cem sen wrote:
thanks for reply, i go for 1.2gr because i want to use 2:1 ratio, deca shut down very hard and at this dosage will be higher, but im also thinking 900mg test e , 600 deca , and dianabol. also what u think about the diet and cutting phase dude?[/quote]

Ratio of test to deca isn’t really gonna change how “hard” deca shuts you down. people get deca dick because of progresterone/prolactin


#6

^^^ exactly.

With deca dick you’ll need to get some caber/prami. I always run HCG with 19nor’s as well for the aggressive shutdown.

Like I said, I always run 750/600 test/deca. It is a reasonable and profitable dosage with properly dosed gear. Once you’re pushing 240lbs, then you might get away with reasonably running higher doses. Also saves you money. A little goes a long way.

As for the cutting phase, I won’t ever run back to back cycles. If I am bulking, I am bulking. If I am cutting I am cutting. I keep all my shit simple so I am not the one to ask when running a compound cycle like this. Also you will learn quickly from reading my responses around these forums that I think tren is the devil lol


#7

I love tren :slight_smile:


#8

Tren is a gift from the steroid gods.


#9

[quote]ChrisArm wrote:
^^^ exactly.

With deca dick you’ll need to get some caber/prami. I always run HCG with 19nor’s as well for the aggressive shutdown.

Like I said, I always run 750/600 test/deca. It is a reasonable and profitable dosage with properly dosed gear. Once you’re pushing 240lbs, then you might get away with reasonably running higher doses. Also saves you money. A little goes a long way.

As for the cutting phase, I won’t ever run back to back cycles. If I am bulking, I am bulking. If I am cutting I am cutting. I keep all my shit simple so I am not the one to ask when running a compound cycle like this. Also you will learn quickly from reading my responses around these forums that I think tren is the devil lol[/quote]

1-12 week test e 750mg
1-12 week deca 450mg
1-5 week dbol 60mg
arimidex will be on eod ,and 1 week off before switch to short esters
14-22 week test p 100mg eod
14-22 week tren a 75mg eod
14-22 week clen 80mcg 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
17-22 week winstrol 60 mg ed
pct : 1 week after the last shot start clomid at 100mg and nolwadex 40mg for 3-4 weeks.
how are these doses?


#10

[quote]cem sen wrote:

[quote]ChrisArm wrote:
^^^ exactly.

With deca dick you’ll need to get some caber/prami. I always run HCG with 19nor’s as well for the aggressive shutdown.

Like I said, I always run 750/600 test/deca. It is a reasonable and profitable dosage with properly dosed gear. Once you’re pushing 240lbs, then you might get away with reasonably running higher doses. Also saves you money. A little goes a long way.

As for the cutting phase, I won’t ever run back to back cycles. If I am bulking, I am bulking. If I am cutting I am cutting. I keep all my shit simple so I am not the one to ask when running a compound cycle like this. Also you will learn quickly from reading my responses around these forums that I think tren is the devil lol[/quote]

1-12 week test e 750mg
1-12 week deca 450mg
1-5 week dbol 60mg
arimidex will be on eod ,and 1 week off before switch to short esters
14-22 week test p 100mg eod
14-22 week tren a 75mg eod
14-22 week clen 80mcg 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
17-22 week winstrol 60 mg ed
pct : 1 week after the last shot start clomid at 100mg and nolwadex 40mg for 3-4 weeks.
how are these doses?[/quote]

if you want any hopes of properly recovering from a 22 week cycle you sure as fuck better run a longer pct than a measly 3-4 weeks.


#11

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:

[quote]cem sen wrote:

[quote]ChrisArm wrote:
^^^ exactly.

With deca dick you’ll need to get some caber/prami. I always run HCG with 19nor’s as well for the aggressive shutdown.

Like I said, I always run 750/600 test/deca. It is a reasonable and profitable dosage with properly dosed gear. Once you’re pushing 240lbs, then you might get away with reasonably running higher doses. Also saves you money. A little goes a long way.

As for the cutting phase, I won’t ever run back to back cycles. If I am bulking, I am bulking. If I am cutting I am cutting. I keep all my shit simple so I am not the one to ask when running a compound cycle like this. Also you will learn quickly from reading my responses around these forums that I think tren is the devil lol[/quote]

1-12 week test e 750mg
1-12 week deca 450mg
1-5 week dbol 60mg
arimidex will be on eod ,and 1 week off before switch to short esters
14-22 week test p 100mg eod
14-22 week tren a 75mg eod
14-22 week clen 80mcg 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
17-22 week winstrol 60 mg ed
pct : 1 week after the last shot start clomid at 100mg and nolwadex 40mg for 3-4 weeks.
how are these doses?[/quote]

if you want any hopes of properly recovering from a 22 week cycle you sure as fuck better run a longer pct than a measly 3-4 weeks.
[/quote]

This

And I’d run HCG as well. That’s a long cycle for someone that doesn’t b/c


#12

[quote]BUDs wrote:
I love tren :)[/quote]

You guys are lucky bastards. I so badly wanted to have good experiences. Tried 3 diff cycles at diff doses with diff esters. I looked great, but felt like shit from start to finish.

I almost killed my girlfriends purse dog when it shit and pissed on the floor while staring at me.

but then again… i fuckin hate little dogs


#13

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:

[quote]cem sen wrote:

[quote]ChrisArm wrote:
^^^ exactly.

With deca dick you’ll need to get some caber/prami. I always run HCG with 19nor’s as well for the aggressive shutdown.

Like I said, I always run 750/600 test/deca. It is a reasonable and profitable dosage with properly dosed gear. Once you’re pushing 240lbs, then you might get away with reasonably running higher doses. Also saves you money. A little goes a long way.

As for the cutting phase, I won’t ever run back to back cycles. If I am bulking, I am bulking. If I am cutting I am cutting. I keep all my shit simple so I am not the one to ask when running a compound cycle like this. Also you will learn quickly from reading my responses around these forums that I think tren is the devil lol[/quote]

1-12 week test e 750mg
1-12 week deca 450mg
1-5 week dbol 60mg
arimidex will be on eod ,and 1 week off before switch to short esters
14-22 week test p 100mg eod
14-22 week tren a 75mg eod
14-22 week clen 80mcg 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
17-22 week winstrol 60 mg ed
pct : 1 week after the last shot start clomid at 100mg and nolwadex 40mg for 3-4 weeks.
how are these doses?[/quote]

if you want any hopes of properly recovering from a 22 week cycle you sure as fuck better run a longer pct than a measly 3-4 weeks.
[/quote]

yup.