previous cycle of test p 130 mg EOD
posted a couple wks ago about upcoming fall cycle. originally planned an 8 wk (FL) of test e with a 4 wk dbol kickstart. for various reasons ive decided to revamp my cycle to the following:
wk 1-12: test e 600 mg/wk (pin mon/thurs)
wk 1-10: deca 300 mg/wk (pin mon/thurs)
wk 1-5: dbol 30 mg ED
wk 1-5: adex .5 mg ED (high dose to account for dbol usage)
wk 6-12: adex .25 mg ED (taper down or run low dose thru pct??)
wk 1- 13: caber .25 mg 2x/wk before bed
wk 4-14: HCG 150 iu EOD
wk 15: nolva 40 mg ED
wk 16: nolva 40 mg ED
wk 17: nolva 30 mg ED
wk 18: nolva 20 mg ED
wk 19: nolva 20 mg ED
- confused about when to stop the caber? stop at wk 12 (last wk of injects) or run it thru the 2 wks after test shots prior to pct? also, do i taper off it?
- do i need to increase my HCG dosage and am i correct in running hcg for 2 wks after last test shot? also, do i need to taper this down?
- also, whats the consensus on running low dose adex thru pct? Brook, im interested in getting your opinion on this. i know KSman and dynamo advocate for this, but the opinion is mixed.
thanks for your time and expertise.
Good cycle, thanks for the mention
I would personally use the Cabergoline (Tabs only, NEVER liquid) until the end of PCT. Just to make sure - but this is as i know how i react to Deca induced prolactin rises, and you may honestly never have an issue (some seem to be unaffected by the amount of prolactin - and i wasn’t the first few times i used Deca).
The HCG is fine at the doise you are planning.
You will not need to run Adex through a Nolvadex PCT. If you run it throughout the 2 weeks upto the PCT, you will ensure that your Estrogen levels continue to be controlled as the aromatisable hormone (T’rone) levels drop… meaning when you come off the Adex, there is little test to turn to Estrogen.
The PCT may be warranted at 5+ weeks TBH. It is a long cycle and potentially more suppressive than a Test only 12 weeker - unless the caber is enough to prevent the suppression from the prolactin; Increase the Caber to 1mg a week… not 0.5mg (0.5mg 2x/wk).
Run 40mg of tamoxifen for 2 weeks, then run 20mg for as many weeks as you feel necessary till you feel good enough to recover.
4-5 should be enough with the HCG and Caber in your tent pissing out…
Best of luck.
brook - thanks for clarifying a few things. namely, upping the caber dose.
i would also appreciate your insight on these things:
- at your recomendation im going to run caber all the way thru (19 wks). since i will be on it for this long, do you recommend tapering down or do i stop cold turkey?
- ive seen elsewhere that you recommend a starting dose of deca between 3-400 mg/wk. obviously i would be on the low end of this starting dose. do you think my gains would be increased enough to warrant a jump from 300 mg to 400 mg/wk?? if so, would i need to up the test, hcg, and caber accordingly?
thanks again for the help from you guys. much apprec and informative.
I didn’t realise it was 19 weeks! Shit, that is a long cycle… i will get back to that.
I would stick at 300mg of Nandrolone. It is a fine dose, and IME 400mg gives little extra muscle over 300mg.
I personally would use adex at 0.75mg weeks 1-5 and 0.5mg the rest… 0.25mg is not enough for myself… so you know.
Your cycle is very long… and only 6-8 or so of those weeks will give results.
You may want to look into frontloading the cycle, to achieve peak levels immediately, and running it for 8 weeks - then having 2 weeks off and running the PCT.
This will make recovery significantly easier, allow 4 weeks for PCT too.
Plus you’d save money on the amount of adex, HCG and caber used.
You could run a higher amount of AAS also - for the same cost as less for longer… it is often the better choice IMO and is what i recommend the majority of the time - even for those who don’t come off.