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Test E and Orals to Slow Catabolism?


Some advice would be great,

I’m male, from the UK, 39 years old, 5’9", 175lb, sitting around 15%bf (top abs showing - just…). Been lifting on and off since my teens.

My aim is to get all my abs showing or at least get that last little roll to dissappear!

I’ve been cutting for 5 months with no gear (1700-1800kcals/day, IIFMM, 40% protein, 40% carbs, 20% fat, LISS cardio and weights 3-4 times a week). Pretty strict with this, better willpower than when I was in my 20’s!

I’ve lost a decent amount of BF but I feel like I’m stalling now, and although my body comp is changing for the better I can see I’m also losing muscle mass. I’m not skinny but I’m also not a big guy so this is worst case scenario for me.

So, I’m thinking about a cycle to help slow down the catabolism. I’ve done several cycles when younger but badly - no real research, bad PCT etc… So this time around I’ve done some research and this is what I’m thinking, any advice would be appreciated…

15 weeks including PCT

Weeks 1-10: 200mg Test E a week (split in to 2 shots, 100mg a shot)

Weeks 3-10: 50mg Win & 50mg Var ED (both oral) & LIV52

Weeks 11-12: Nothing

Weeks 13-15: Clomid & Nolva

Arimidex on hand just in case

I don’t want to go too heavy on the test, as I don’t want the sides that go with it, but at the same time I don’t want to go too low and not see results.

Any advice on my macros and calories on cycle would also be useful.

Go easy on me… TIA…

that is a very low amount of test & unlikely you’ll see any ‘real’ benefits during that cycle & 2 weeks worth of PCT is too short an amount, should more likely be 4 weeks & with t hat amount of test you probably won’t need both clomid & Nolva…

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Thanks, I don’t want to see any muscle gains, just slow or stop any further loss. What would you recommend increasing it to?

My PCT would be 3 weeks from my post, still too short?

nolva pct is usually 4 weeks broken into 40,40,20,20

200mg is generally dosed as TRT if i’m not mistaken, so may infact be suitable for what you want to achieve in this cycle… although I’m hoping some of the more experienced guys chime in …

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Cheers, I’ll add a week on :slight_smile:

Agree with Cursed on Nolva only, don’t need two SERMs for PCT. Double the test and drop one of the orals IMO. Run the oral for last (6) weeks only.


200mgs per week is my TrT dose. I had blood work done while on that protocol and my Test levels were 1186 and 1244. That’s not exactly the levels you want to be at if you are wanting to run a cycle. Most certainly not worth shutting down your natural production for. You want to add muscle, you are going to have to eat. Even if you get on cycle, you are going to have to eat more.


Did you trim your body hair to look like a scary mask or is that natural?

Nipples look like eyes, belly button mouth, cheeks are where the abs are, nose running down the middle?


Save on fancy dress at Halloween

Thanks :slight_smile:

Do not run winstrol and anavar together. There’s no need for both and they will cause unnecessary side effects and damage that is easily avoided. At your age anavar is a smarter bet.

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