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Test-Cyp / Primobolan


#1

Educational purposes are fulfilled thank you.


#2

where in the name of sweet baby james is your aromatase inhibitor?


#3

which one do you recommend, and how much of it?


#4

jesus, dude. You’ve been here long enough to know this shit by now.

Adex. At those doses you could probably get away with .25mg eod.


#5

Excusez-Moi, just wanted to know what you thought of it. Never too old to learn ;).


#6

At that dosage, you might as well not even use primo. You probably won’t even notice the difference from just the cyp. Primo is pricey, but if you are going to use it I would bump the dosage to at least 500mg/week, and extend the cycle by a few more weeks (12 weeks or so).


#8

Horrible cycle at those doses and length. Switch to test p at 300+ per week or test e or c at 400+ per week and minimum 10 weeks. For primo you won’t notice shit at less than 500-600 per week and maybe still won’t unless you run a test only cycle first and can then tell the difference. Save your money and skip the primo, seriously. And run the test higher.


#9

^^^What Juggs said.

As far as recovery, by the time you hit 6 weeks of test - even at that low dose - you will be shutdown. If you want to try a true short cycle giving quicker recovery, then go 2-3 weeks on followed by 3-4 off (with first 2 weeks off being PCT), and do this for multiple short cycles. As for what you have outlined, go with what has been mentioned above. Either bump the primo up considerably or drop it completely. I know it’s pricey, but I personally like it a lot because of the lasting muscle gained. But that comes with a hefty price tag.

If this is your first cycle (and I suspect it is), just drop the primo and up the test. And no AI with this light cycle? The standard way of doing this is an AI basically anytime you are injecting test.


#10

What is you body fat%. I was told unless you are under 10% bf primobolan and anavar waste of money for a male. I would go with deca or eq instead. I bought pharmaceutical grade sust, from Italian pharmacy, 250mg a week, then added 200mg primobolan a week a month later noticed zilch difference after 6 weeks . Good thing in Greece it was only 1.85 a vial.


#13

I’d use out so you don’t get it. I can’t understand why people won’t use it so it never happens… instead wait for it to happen.

:confused:


#14

this is bad advice and these people are not your friends.

Side effects like gyno are MUCH harder to fix than they are to prevent, and once you have a gyno lump you’ll never get rid of it. If you’re lucky you can shrink it, but once it’s there it’s there.

Also, there is much more to high E than just gyno. It can fuck with you in a number of ways.

USE YOUR FUCKING AI.

And I’m from Europe.


#15

5.7% you qualify that stuff is expensive they said Arnold Schwarzenegger did like 1000mgs weekly.


#16

Thank You Yogi, for insisting on proper health when on cycle. i’ll look for the Arimidex, and take it .25mg EOD.

Just don’t understand why nobody uses it in here, and nobody rom what I’ve heard has got the gyno.

What are the side effects, except gyno, you are personally most worried about?


#17

Is it that people dont use it, because it can enhalt your gains?


#18

My first cycle was back in '99, and I did a retarded amount of sustanon and deca with no AI and no PCT. Luckily, I recovered just fine and had no issues with gyno or any other side effects. I had heard of clomid and nolva at the time but didn’t really know how or when to use them - the few boards I could find back then didn’t really talk about it. I’m curious if AI’s were even used back then, I really don’t know. I make a point of using AIs now, since I’d rather not add tits onto my muscle gains.

My guess is some people don’t use AIs because they get away with it once, and figure they don’t ever need it.


#19

Six weeks of essentially TRT levels of test with just a whiff of primo. Dude.


#20

no, the “gains” it supposedly decreases are increases in bodyweight that come from holding loads of water because you’re bloated from high E


#21

cancer, high blood pressure, acne, libido problems, fat gain…


#22

Blackmamba, we were all newbies once (I still am) and I have a feeling you stumbled upon the forum looking for information. Don’t get upset or anything, but I think you haven’t come across this thread yet:

Steroid Newbie Cycle Planning

Seriously, read it twice and check it out. Go to the start of the Pharma forum here and check out the stickies. Read them for a few days and then if you have any questions, ask away. It helped immensely with my first cycle back in October and it dispelled any fears and concerns I had.


#23

Thanks bro, really helped me out