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Test Cyp Advice

Hey guys,

I am unfortunately (and against my will) going back to the land where steroids are illegal for business and I’m going to be in the middle of a test cyp cycle.

Can anyone offer some advice as to how long I can go between shots at longest. I really don’t want to end the cycle prematurely, but also don’t want to do anything that could harm my system.

I’m thinking 14 days is the longest I should attempt to go to between injections. Any advice is very appreciated.

H.

I would say 1 week personally. I am not sure why less frequent injections are going to be of benefit because the country you are in has laws against steroids? But either way i wouldnt want to go much over a week as the half life is 6.3 days
(using carbon length x 0.7 = Half Life)

Also, what do you mean ‘harm your system’ - the less frequent the injections the higher the fluctuation in hormone levels.
This is because the dose needs to be higher and drops further - which causes higher aromatisation on injection and the domination of that estrogen towards the end of the period between injections. This has obvious ramifications and makes AI use alot more complicated too, with more being needed on dosing, and less used towards the end of the period (two weeks in this case).
It shouldnt harm you so much as give more unwanted side effects…

:slight_smile:

Brook

You lucked out that your using a decidedly long acting ester.

But Im with Brooks, 14 days is far too long between injections.

I wasn’t clear about the purpose of a 2 week period between shots, sorry. I posted this too late at night.

The problem is I’ll be injecting the cyp every week but then have this 2 week period where I need to be in the states. I am not going to try to get gear while I’m there, am not risking taking anything in, etc… so I’m stuck. I can either come off and end my cycle very prematurely, go 2 weeks between shots instead of 1 week as normal, or just put it off until the fall. I really don’t want to put it off, but I may have no choice at this point. Thanks for not giving me the wrong advices.

This fucking link doesnt seem to be working maybe try it tomorow but this is a pct calculator and will tell you when your gear has tapored off.

bulkmuscle.com/pct/index.php

Check this out this is cool.Follow the link in the top forum.

[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Check this out this is cool.Follow the link in the top forum.

I tried this calculator out and it had me at a blood level of 1099 mg after 6 weeks of 700mg/w test e. It has no ability to handle a frontloaded cycle as far as I can see. Mine was frontloaded. It calculated that I would be ready for PCT at day 67 (a full 25 days after my last injection).

I am skepticle of both the calculated blood level at day 42 (1099mg) and also that my blood level would not fall below 100mg until day 67 = 92mg (25 days after last shot). If we followed this, we’d be waiting forever to start PCT.

[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Check this out this is cool.Follow the link in the top forum.

I tried this calculator out and it had me at a blood level of 1099 mg after 6 weeks of 700mg/w test e. It has no ability to handle a frontloaded cycle as far as I can see. Mine was frontloaded. It calculated that I would be ready for PCT at day 67 (a full 25 days after my last injection).

I am skepticle of both the calculated blood level at day 42 (1099mg) and also that my blood level would not fall below 100mg until day 67 = 92mg (25 days after last shot). If we followed this, we’d be waiting forever to start PCT.[/quote]

Ok my bad, the first link if it worked is very cool hopefully its back up soon.

[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Check this out this is cool.Follow the link in the top forum.

I tried this calculator out and it had me at a blood level of 1099 mg after 6 weeks of 700mg/w test e. It has no ability to handle a frontloaded cycle as far as I can see. Mine was frontloaded. It calculated that I would be ready for PCT at day 67 (a full 25 days after my last injection).

I am skepticle of both the calculated blood level at day 42 (1099mg) and also that my blood level would not fall below 100mg until day 67 = 92mg (25 days after last shot). If we followed this, we’d be waiting forever to start PCT.

Ok my bad, the first link if it worked is very cool hopefully its back up soon.[/quote]

How much more clutter are you going to add to this forum?

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Dynamo Hum wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Check this out this is cool.Follow the link in the top forum.

I tried this calculator out and it had me at a blood level of 1099 mg after 6 weeks of 700mg/w test e. It has no ability to handle a frontloaded cycle as far as I can see. Mine was frontloaded. It calculated that I would be ready for PCT at day 67 (a full 25 days after my last injection).

I am skepticle of both the calculated blood level at day 42 (1099mg) and also that my blood level would not fall below 100mg until day 67 = 92mg (25 days after last shot). If we followed this, we’d be waiting forever to start PCT.

Ok my bad, the first link if it worked is very cool hopefully its back up soon.

How much more clutter are you going to add to this forum?
[/quote]

Oh gee sorry my bad.

[quote]H-Train wrote:
I wasn’t clear about the purpose of a 2 week period between shots, sorry. I posted this too late at night.

The problem is I’ll be injecting the cyp every week but then have this 2 week period where I need to be in the states. I am not going to try to get gear while I’m there, am not risking taking anything in, etc… so I’m stuck. I can either come off and end my cycle very prematurely, go 2 weeks between shots instead of 1 week as normal, or just put it off until the fall. I really don’t want to put it off, but I may have no choice at this point. Thanks for not giving me the wrong advices. [/quote]

How long have you been on ?

I agree with you fully in not trying to bring anything, far too risky with post 9/11 nonsense-ery.

Cyp TECHNICALLY has a release of something like 14 days, but your blood levels are going to be erratic.

Personally, Id shoot a few minutes before I leave for the US, and just let the blood levels drop.

Its going to feel a little off, but its not going to be too bad.

You can inject a higher dose than normal on your next shot to load back up to your set point.

The “correct move” is to come off, PCT, and wait a bit to do another cycle. But Im just saying what I would do.

[quote]Westclock wrote:
H-Train wrote:
I wasn’t clear about the purpose of a 2 week period between shots, sorry. I posted this too late at night.

The problem is I’ll be injecting the cyp every week but then have this 2 week period where I need to be in the states. I am not going to try to get gear while I’m there, am not risking taking anything in, etc… so I’m stuck. I can either come off and end my cycle very prematurely, go 2 weeks between shots instead of 1 week as normal, or just put it off until the fall. I really don’t want to put it off, but I may have no choice at this point. Thanks for not giving me the wrong advices.

How long have you been on ?

I agree with you fully in not trying to bring anything, far too risky with post 9/11 nonsense-ery.

Cyp TECHNICALLY has a release of something like 14 days, but your blood levels are going to be erratic.

Personally, Id shoot a few minutes before I leave for the US, and just let the blood levels drop.

Its going to feel a little off, but its not going to be too bad.

You can inject a higher dose than normal on your next shot to load back up to your set point.

The “correct move” is to come off, PCT, and wait a bit to do another cycle. But Im just saying what I would do.
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By the point I have to leave I’ll have been on 6 weeks. That’s a shitty cyp cycle. Are you saying shoot the morning before the flight and then the second I walk in the door when I get back (14 days later)? Judging from the ester (technically) I’d say it PROBABLY won’t screw me up… I want to stay on at least 12 weeks because I’m also dosing it low at 300mg/week. Thanks for everybody’s contributions to this topic. I’ve never had this problem before.

I have done well with 7 weeks on cyp personally.

My vote - just do it. Go on your break, dont use, its only two weeks off (well one really if you think about it) and frontload when you get back.

Use roidcalc.com to calculate your levels before and after the break.

:wink:

Brook

[quote]H-Train wrote:
Westclock wrote:
H-Train wrote:
I wasn’t clear about the purpose of a 2 week period between shots, sorry. I posted this too late at night.

The problem is I’ll be injecting the cyp every week but then have this 2 week period where I need to be in the states. I am not going to try to get gear while I’m there, am not risking taking anything in, etc… so I’m stuck. I can either come off and end my cycle very prematurely, go 2 weeks between shots instead of 1 week as normal, or just put it off until the fall. I really don’t want to put it off, but I may have no choice at this point. Thanks for not giving me the wrong advices.

How long have you been on ?

I agree with you fully in not trying to bring anything, far too risky with post 9/11 nonsense-ery.

Cyp TECHNICALLY has a release of something like 14 days, but your blood levels are going to be erratic.

Personally, Id shoot a few minutes before I leave for the US, and just let the blood levels drop.

Its going to feel a little off, but its not going to be too bad.

You can inject a higher dose than normal on your next shot to load back up to your set point.

The “correct move” is to come off, PCT, and wait a bit to do another cycle. But Im just saying what I would do.

By the point I have to leave I’ll have been on 6 weeks. That’s a shitty cyp cycle. Are you saying shoot the morning before the flight and then the second I walk in the door when I get back (14 days later)? Judging from the ester (technically) I’d say it PROBABLY won’t screw me up… I want to stay on at least 12 weeks because I’m also dosing it low at 300mg/week. Thanks for everybody’s contributions to this topic. I’ve never had this problem before.
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heres my ideas.

preload a syringe and keep it in your checked luggage.
single dose wont throw any flags, its not “smugling” cause its only one dose.
if its picked up then tell them you are medication and you neglected to bring a slip as it was only one dose
worst case is they will destroy it and you are no worse off than before.

its not smuggling because your not bringing a bottle of pills or a vial of oil and you are not trying to hide it.

and on top of doing that
double your dose while you are walking out the door.
make sure whatever AIs you are taking bring that with you and keep up on your Ais atleast.
these are easy pills you can have in your pocket or the liguid put in mini shampoo bottles sealed in bags.

again worst case is it gets taken away and you still have your Ais and whats in your system
youll feel like crap but its cyp shouldnt be too bad

or you can come off and restart another cycle later when you get back

Awesome advice!

Actually, I have a prescription for prop, but it’s in Chinese. Do you other guys think I’m playing with fire if I were to preload a syringe and put it in the baggage with the prescription wrapped around it - in a plastic ziplock bag inside the side of my toiletry bag inside my checked baggage?

That is a really good idea on keeping the AIs in shampoo bottles. I had wondered about that before but feared contamination of some sort. I guess I will just make sure everything is extremely clean and dry and go that route. I have flown with Chinese nolvadex many times and never been hassled about it.

Prescription medications should be in their original containers, it is advised that you travel with no more than personal use quantities, a rule of thumb is no more than a 60 day supply. If medications or devices are not in their original containers, you should have a copy of your prescription with you.

Medicinal purchases that you make abroad may be subject to FDA restrictions, which are detailed on our web site.

If you are traveling with medical devices such as needles or oxygen tanks that could pose a security or safety concern to others, be sure to have a copy of the prescription for those items from your doctor. You should also contact the Transportation Safety Administration about any additional requirements they may have.

http://help.cbp.gov/cgi-bin/customs.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=67&p_created=1043364936&p_sid=rmIu8Uvj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MzcsMzcmcF9wcm9kcz0wJnBfY2F0cz0wJnBfcHY9JnBfY3Y9JnBfcGFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9bWVkaWNhdGlvbg**&p_li=&p_topview=1

There’s the answer. I wonder what they do with people that go to TJ and get a doctor’s prescription for 60 days’ worth of sustanon redijects and cruise across the border with the paperwork in hand… just personal use, Sir.

or you could just mail it to yourself in the us…

Would that work as well? Mailing a loaded syringe? Something seems fishy about it.

[quote]H-Train wrote:
Would that work as well? Mailing a loaded syringe? Something seems fishy about it. [/quote]

do not mail it mailing it from china is a no-no customs will pick that up faster than anything.

if you have a script for prop then take prop with you.

you will have 0 problems at all, take yourself enough pins in your checked luggage and have your prop with you and take a copy of the script with you, fully legit

or take your 1 or 2 preloaded syringes and a copy of your prop script.

they have no idea what ester is in there. tape a copy of the script to the meds themselves and also keep a copy in your wallet just incase.

dont worry about contaminating the oral meds, worst thing that will happen is it will taste like alberto V05
just use the mini travel bottles get a couple new ones from the store thats never been used.
or if you dont want to risk that, which I dont blame you, thats fine
take the AIs with you these are easy to get in and out
this will minamize the sides and take brooks advise and just frontload when you get back.
the esters long enough you are fine.

Great ideas.

I am looking on my prescription now and it has my name in Chinese which I’m sure won’t fly with customs. These guys have a hardon for gear. I’m gonna think about it but probably end up not taking it and then frontload once I’m back home. I’m looking at blood levels now. Great info here, gracias.