And I take issue with the conclusion the methods used were ineffective. They have been in specific cases, but in other cases they were highly effective.
There is far from a consensus on this issue. [/quote]
I think it is a mistake for those in the anti-torture camp to debate its effectiveness. Whether torture is effective or not really isn’t the point; claiming it isn’t effective makes it seem like a relevant consideration. [/quote]
I believe that rapport based interrogation should be standard operating procedure for the intelligence and defense communities. This is because of its efficacy, not the immorality of torture. However, this approach has its limits. Torture should remain in the tool box as a last resort. In some cases, it has proven quite effective, leading directly to the aversion of attacks, along with the aquisition of critical tactical and strategic intelligence. In fact, torture led to the location of Usama bin Laden himself, along with a virtual treasure trove of intelligence. [/quote]
I don’t doubt we obtained valuable intelligence through torture. It is still torture.
I think it would be interesting to turn the CIA loose on you for a few years and see whether you still agree that it should be part of the toolbox. Or maybe render you to the Saudi’s and let them go to work. Submit to that for, say, 3 to 5 years, and I’ll listen to your opinion on this.
Also, I suspect you agree that when our boys and girls get captured fighting abroad, torture is fair game, because, its an effective way to gain intelligence and because, you know, we torture, so fair’s fair.