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Terror Alert Is Propaganda


Former British Ambassador Says Terror Alert Is “Propaganda”
Indians says group linked to liquid bombers controlled by Pakistan’s ISI

Murray questions the intent and capability of the alleged terrorists to carry out the attack and offers the likelihood that evidence of the plot was obtained through torture in Pakistan.
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article335678.ece

“None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn’t be a plane bomber for quite some time,” says Murray.

“In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.”

“Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed the details of this amazing plot to blow up multiple planes - which, rather extraordinarily, had not turned up in a year of surveillance. Of course, the interrogators of the Pakistani dictator have their ways of making people sing like canaries. As I witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most extraordinary information this way. Trouble is it always tends to give the interrogators all they might want, and more, in a desperate effort to stop or avert torture. What it doesn’t give is the truth.”

Murray describes the alert as “more propaganda than plot,” and points out that of all the Muslim terror suspects who have been charged, 80% have been acquitted and only 2% have ever been convicted on offenses related to terrorism.

Meanwhile, Delhi police in India claim they have concrete evidence that proves collusion between Pakistani intelligence service ISI and the terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) in carrying out militant attacks in India.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2006/08/15/stories/2006081518040300.htm

One of the alleged mastermind’s of the liquid bomb plot, Rashid Rauf, is a member of Lashkar-e-Taiba. The ISI is a CIA front and the CIA have privately ignored their control of terror groups while publicly lauding Pakistan’s status as an ally in the war on terror.

On Monday night it emerged that elements of MI5 wanted the liquid bomb plot to proceed and make the arrests only after the attack had taken place - sacrificing an estimated 3,000 lives and ensuring Britain experienced its own 9/11.

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
Former British Ambassador Says Terror Alert Is “Propaganda”
Indians says group linked to liquid bombers controlled by Pakistan’s ISI

Murray questions the intent and capability of the alleged terrorists to carry out the attack and offers the likelihood that evidence of the plot was obtained through torture in Pakistan.
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article335678.ece

“None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn’t be a plane bomber for quite some time,” says Murray.

“In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.”

“Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed the details of this amazing plot to blow up multiple planes - which, rather extraordinarily, had not turned up in a year of surveillance. Of course, the interrogators of the Pakistani dictator have their ways of making people sing like canaries. As I witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most extraordinary information this way. Trouble is it always tends to give the interrogators all they might want, and more, in a desperate effort to stop or avert torture. What it doesn’t give is the truth.”

Murray describes the alert as “more propaganda than plot,” and points out that of all the Muslim terror suspects who have been charged, 80% have been acquitted and only 2% have ever been convicted on offenses related to terrorism.

Meanwhile, Delhi police in India claim they have concrete evidence that proves collusion between Pakistani intelligence service ISI and the terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) in carrying out militant attacks in India.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2006/08/15/stories/2006081518040300.htm

One of the alleged mastermind’s of the liquid bomb plot, Rashid Rauf, is a member of Lashkar-e-Taiba. The ISI is a CIA front and the CIA have privately ignored their control of terror groups while publicly lauding Pakistan’s status as an ally in the war on terror.

On Monday night it emerged that elements of MI5 wanted the liquid bomb plot to proceed and make the arrests only after the attack had taken place - sacrificing an estimated 3,000 lives and ensuring Britain experienced its own 9/11.

Hehehehe

Are we supposed to take this seriously? Craig Murray, Britain’s former ambassador to Uzbekistan, dosen’t have a full box of chocolates. He is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

He was kicked out of the Foreign Service because he is, simply put, stark staring raving mad. He became famous for his conspicuous love of bars, girls, Range-Rovers and outrageous breaches of diplomatic protocol. In August 2003, he was confronted with a series of disciplinary charges by the Foreign Office, which he was not permitted to discuss with anyone, and instructed to resign. He refused.

The allegations were dropped within a few weeks but not before Murray had had a breakdown and a pulmonary embolism that nearly killed him. He was finally removed from his post in October 2004.

And, to make matters worse, he looks like Elton John’s dotty older brother.

Murray has a blog here: http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/ where he goes into further details. His wikipedia entry details a few weird or unsavory episodes in his life, but I don’t like the “gunboat veteran” tactic of trying to discredit everything someone has to say based on bad decisions made in the past.

He doesn’t appear to be stark raving mad, at least not to me; and not in comparison to Alex Jones or the Loose Change video guys.

Are his allegations true? Has no one yet been charged? Has no bomb paraphernalia been found? Was there really a realistic threat, or are the police overreacting to bad intelligence?

Another take on the plot, from the point of view of feasability: