Doctor and myself decided to temporarily stop treatment at my request to see if I can completely stop smoking before restarting, just pretty dumb thing to do that can be dangerous. In the meantime, I’ll be taking HCG for the next 1-2 weeks alone, I did have some enclophimene prescribed which is the good version of clomid without the nasty sides. If I’m still smoking cigarettes in another week or so, what is the downside if any of taking the enclophimene before test completely clears my system? I know the standard is 2-3 weeks after last shot, however, is this just to not waste it? The HCG is being used to prime the boys and will be stopped 2-3 days prior to the enclophimene and if I can go more than 3 weeks without a cigarette, I’ll hope back on test, if I can’t I’ll keep trying and hoping the enclo will already be in gear before test clears my system and have the lh and fsh being stimulated…
I’m not understanding…
Why are you stopping TRT to stop smoking exactly? Letting your T levels bottom out AND stopping one of the most addictive compounds on earth at the same time seems like a recipe for failure.
I smoked for the last 25 years, when I started TRT I tried quitting and was doing well, but recently was up to almost a pack a day again. I want to be 100% fully quit free of cigarettes before restarting trt again.
The HCG i’m hoping prevents it from bottoming out, the enclophimene works fairly quick from what I read. But the question at hand… what’s the real purpose of waiting until test is cleared from the system? Enclo has guys up to 1000 TT on bloodwork a few weeks after taking it, so I’m confident it will be somewhat smooth.
I think your question is aimed at the wrong end. What’s the point of stopping TRT to stop smoking? The two are unrelated.
Yes, but its easier to stop TRT than it is smoking and I don’t want to risk a clot because I am still smoking which seems fairly common in smokers on TRT at some point and doctor agreed it’s pretty stupid to combine the 2. It’s only been 4 weeks, yes I’m shut down, balls still swinging, HCG every other day now and it should be smooth sailing… I probably woulda recovered fairly quick without anything at 4 weeks.
It’s pretty stupid to do a lot of things we do daily. I don’t know the statistics but I would say your worrying about something that has as lesser chance of happening than you dieing in a car crash. Gonna stop driving?
@Andrewgen_Receptors is right. Going off testosterone can be miserable. Why don’t you look into other quitting aids and stay on your TRT?
I have the patch on right now, but I need to prove it to myself that I can be cigarette free for at least 2-3 weeks before hopping back on.
Not sure if you heard of enclophimine before, but it get test levels as high as 150mg a shot without the nasty sides of the clomid. Problem is actually getting the real thing and luckily a compounding pharmacy in my area has it. So I won’t be miserable, although I do here people don’t feel the same on enclo as regular test.
I’m just trying to look out for you brother. I am also quitting nicotine. I never smoked, but dipped until about 10 years ago. I’ve been chewing the damn nicotine gum that long. At least it’s not cancerous but the nictotine has its own problems. Either way it’s good you’re trying to quit. I just know two miseries don’t make it less hard. Back in my cycling days I used clomid as my PCT and the restart was pretty miserable.
Yes, this is odd. It’s like someone saying I’m going to stop taking insulin/thyroid/metoprolol/atorvastatin/etc/etc until I stop smoking.
I feel you, clomid sucks… I used to taper with clomid and nolva and add arimidex for the rebound, I have arimidex now but will use it sparingly. Keep in mind, I’m not talking about clomid, I’m talking about this. Is Enclomiphene the Testosterone-Enhancing Drug We’ve Been Looking...
Yup I knew what you were talking about, just have no experience with it. All I can say is good luck in your journey. If you’re dead set on doing it I’m rooting for you.
What was it about clomid that ‘sucked’? I’ve done well on it but I know some people say different
What kind of doctor are you seeing?
Why don’t you just stay on TRT and reward yourself differently for quitting smoking instead of upsetting your hormones? This seems silly to me but to each their own i guess.
There’s some info I left out, my right leg has been slightly swollen, it was the only leg I was injecting until I switch to subq. My calf right side 1 inch circumference bigger than left, foot just slightly swollen, shoe fits a little tighter, upper leg just slightly swollen.
Before TRT I had something happen in my lower left calf, sounded like a twig snapped while walking, was painful to walk for about a day and then just discomfort, at times I wondered if it was a clot developing, pain comes and goes when walking or if I been sitting for 45 min and then stand up. Somedays barely noticable, others especially days I smoked more, pain came and went more often. Smoking cigarettes made the pain worse, not terrible pain by any means, but some discomfort bottom of calf area.
That is why I want to 100% stop smoking before hopping back on. In addition, I want to go get some test done on leg circulation as well and possible get checked for peripheral artery disease.
Trust me I would like to… The only thing that I think gotten worse is my sleep on TRT, everything else is better, I have some shoulder issues prior and I have a tough time staying asleep because I’m a side sleeper.
My hemo was 16.5 hema 49% 10 days ago. Not terrible but already at the high end, another reason smoking has to stop completely before continuing.
Thanks!! , I want to do this right and not wing it!
What other markers in bloodwork twll you about viscosity besides hemo and hemacrit? I had a whole blood panel done, nothing in that sense was out of range but im curious if there is more to check. My plat # was smack in the middle of the range.
I smoked about 2 black and milds a day. I was pretty concerned about that habit. I switched to vape which I believe is a lot better health wise. Problem was I was using it all day long. I didn’t like that I always wanted to hit it. I could do it in my office, in the car, outside, in a restaurant bathroom… Just too convenient. I use the nicotine pouches now. That or something like the gum is probably my best option as far as using nicotine, but I wish I never dabbled with nicotine. It is a real bitch trying to quit.