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Tea/Coffee Intake

what are you thoughts on excessive tea or coffee intake (around 600 mg caffiene) and how it effects growth or testosterone levels?

a collegue o mine said to me ‘tea is bad for bodybuilders’ as it lowers testosterone…

i believe he was b-esing me.

while im here, also wanna know: does regular tea/coffee drinking effect your sperm count or libido in any way?

Coffee=God
No coffee=death

for me anyway

tea rulz, ur coworker is dumby

The question is, what does your colleague look like? Unless he’s huge and moves serious weight, are you sure you should be listening to his advice?

I’ve been drinking coffee religiously for six years now (and a pot or two of tea a day), and haven’t noticed any problems with libido. According to the Mayo Clinic, excessive caffeine intake may influence erectile dysfunction -

But all things considered, in order to reach dangerous levels of caffeine, you’d likely need caffeine pills, and a shitload of `em. That, or 50+ cups of coffee. I’m no expert, of course.

Isn’t it still better to limit cafein around workout as it affects insulin response? Read that in one of Berardi’s & on ofMarion’s articles.

Other than this I totally agree with the first response, no coffee at all = death (an almost similar state for the day at least).

Green tea really helped me out while cutting. Great cheap natural fat burner.

I’ve never heard that.

You should ask the guy where he gets his info from.

I am a stimulant Junky. Tea and coffee round the clock. If your co-worker is not jacked he’s doing it wrong. If he is, ask him to show you studies.

yea, i think at this point we’ve pretty much established that my co-worker is a moron and/or douche bag. he’s 40 by the way, started getting jacked on roids two months ago, as he thinks he can make some quick and easy gains since he’s never lifted before. he weighs around 150 lbs i imagine…

Just for fun do you have a body fat estimation?

Reminds me of that guys who wanted to give me advices on cutting and never went below 20%bf himself (“yeah I cut, looking at what I eat, what would I? Cardio, HIIT, Nothanks ! But I take fat burner see, I’m cutting…”)

HS: I started to look yesterday if there was not a thread with all the stupidy you have heard either from friends, family, or even non lifting people, some kind of “best of” (if there’s nothing like this yet, we should start one, I bet we all have nice stories).

[quote]AlexD wrote:

HS: I started to look yesterday if there was not a thread with all the stupidy you have heard either from friends, family, or even non lifting people, some kind of “best of” (if there’s nothing like this yet, we should start one, I bet we all have nice stories).[/quote]

OH…Its here alright…

Not sure about testosterone, but excess amounts of caffeine will increase cortisol significantly and for a pretty good amount of time.

I didn’t feel like searching for sites giving the statistical facts and research resources. There are out there and you can if you’d like but the linked page gives a good overview of caffeine in your body.

[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
Not sure about testosterone, but excess amounts of caffeine will increase cortisol significantly and for a pretty good amount of time.

I didn’t feel like searching for sites giving the statistical facts and research resources. There are out there and you can if you’d like but the linked page gives a good overview of caffeine in your body.

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Hey, great link. Thanks mate, much appreciated.

I read a study that claimed as long as you stayed below 1000mg of caffeine(pre-workout)test levels would increase. If you went above this level your cortisol would increase, creating negative effects (It still increased at lower doses, but the positives of the increased test outweighed the negative). I’ll try and find the study and post again.

I found the article, but It’s not online. It came from a Muscular Development magazine a few months back.

It’s one of those add’s/articles so it is most likely total bs. Disregard that last post.

[quote]Sepulnation wrote:
yea, i think at this point we’ve pretty much established that my co-worker is a moron and/or douche bag. he’s 40 by the way, started getting jacked on roids two months ago, as he thinks he can make some quick and easy gains since he’s never lifted before. he weighs around 150 lbs i imagine…[/quote]

He may still be a douche but he’s not totally off.

There was some study that said something about green tea and a lower T, it wasn’t a very good study though and it wasn’t definitive as it said the rise in T is lower, but there is less variation with green tea drinkers.

They were testing people that drank at least 4 cups a day. As you may or may not know, T levels go up and down in response to various things throughout the day/month/year. So lowering the variation may not be the worst thing in the world.

It’s just proof of how knowing a little knowledge can be a bad thing, or how information can be misconstrued.

A shot of Espresso with a tab of Zinc boosts Testosterone like no other

[quote]Sepulnation wrote:
while im here, also wanna know: does regular tea/coffee drinking effect your sperm count or libido in any way?[/quote]

It is possible that major caffeine abuse can reduce your fertility by producing chromosomal abnormalities in the sperm. I recall that maybe 4 cups a day was not shown to be a problem, but there was some reason to wonder about much larger amounts. If there is an effect, I think it’s reversible if you stop.

[quote]Game Time wrote:
I found the article, but It’s not online. It came from a Muscular Development magazine a few months back.

It’s one of those add’s/articles so it is most likely total bs. Disregard that last post. [/quote]

isn’t it amazing how we can’t tell the difference between “articles” and ads anymore in magazines ? they kind of just blend into one big blob of crap

If your cortisol is going up, your T levels are likely to go down. So yes, caffeine decreases T to some extent. I would worry more about the cortisol than the effect on T though. A couple cups of coffee a day is probably OK. Past that, you should definitely follow an adrenal regimen that includes high dose vitamin C and rhodiola.

But at that point you have to ask yourself why you need the caffeine so bad in the first place. If you can’t function without coffee, then you have a problem that you need to fix.