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Wow, I wish I were surprised that some people think it is OK to blatantly act like a jackass and refuse to comply to the wishes of Law Enforcement.
[quote]Avocado wrote:
wow, I wish i were surprised that so many people support the suppression of human rights. No matter how stupid the question you should support his right to speak it. It’s not about what he says it’s about what happened to him for saying it. If you support that then you are just like the people in germany that thought hitler’s regime was cool.
It’s tragically ironic that people always ask “How could those germans have let such a monster do what he did?” when a comparable situation is happening right now. Those germans bought into the media they were being shown just as many people buy into the same type of media right now. Hitler’s scapegoat was the jews. Who is Bush’s scapegoat? terrorist’s of course. Concentration camp = Guantanamo.
The styme of critical thinking was as prevalent in 1939 as it is now in 2007 north America.
-chris[/quote]
Dude he got zapped for fighting with the police not asking a dumb question. He violated the rules of the debate so when they went to shoo him away from the mic he starts fighting with the police, thats why they shocked him. No one was like hey thats a bad question ZAP! Lol yes the police shocking a guy because he starting fighting with them when all they were trying to do was escort him out of the room is the exact same as the killing of millions of Jews. How did we all not see that connection?
Damn now the police are going to take power and start killing off all the hippies who just want attention…while only using non-lethal weapons.
[quote]Avocado wrote:
wow, I wish i were surprised that so many people support the suppression of human rights. No matter how stupid the question you should support his right to speak it. It’s not about what he says it’s about what happened to him for saying it. If you support that then you are just like the people in germany that thought hitler’s regime was cool.
It’s tragically ironic that people always ask “How could those germans have let such a monster do what he did?” when a comparable situation is happening right now. Those germans bought into the media they were being shown just as many people buy into the same type of media right now. Hitler’s scapegoat was the jews. Who is Bush’s scapegoat? terrorist’s of course. Concentration camp = Guantanamo.
The styme of critical thinking was as prevalent in 1939 as it is now in 2007 north America.
-chris[/quote]
Did you really just compare this to Nazi Germany?
Wow.
He has all the freedom of the constitution to practice his speech on his own property and on his own time. Can I yell fire in a crowded movie theater and expect the freedom of speech to protect me?
That wasn’t a video of a kid getting tazered; that was a video of a kid learning a valuable lesson in authority.
The University of Florida Condones Tasering and the Supression of Free Speech!
Wahoo!
That kid was a plant. The whole event was staged.
Here’s my thoughts for anyone that cares:
I do not agree with this, but many schools’ Board of Regents have what is called Constitutional Autonomy. I am currently having to deal with this as I am trying to get our right to carry firearms recognized on campus. Basically, the school gets something akin to the Constitution’s “necessary and proper clause” which allows them to go above the state constitution. This is obviously bullshit, but it is currently how they justify this. What this means for us is that the first amendment DOES NOT EXIST on campus. You cannot be arrested for any of these things, but you will be arrested for trespassing for failing to follow the rules.
Now, our intrepid hero here wouldn’t shut up. That’s fine. But when he was asked to leave, he refused. Now he’s essentially trespassing. Think of it this way: You do have the right to free speech, but when you come into my house, speak your mind and I tell you to get out and you refuse, well, you are in the wrong. That is what happened here. Then he wrestles with the cops. He refuses to come along peacefully, so what do you expect the cops to do? Should they just sit there and let him break the law?
Now, here’s where the cops are in the wrong in my opinion. They shouldn’t have tasered him. There is no reason the four of them, including that big black guy couldn’t have manhandled him. Because they were pussyfooting with him it made the situation worse. When he resisted he should have been met with overwhelming force, cuffed and pulled out of the room. Safety besides, it seems that the taser is being used rather loosely. What threat does this kid pose the cops? None.
And finally, as much as this kid deserved it, be cautious when you say that he deserved it because he went in there to start a scene. That is exactly what Rosa Parks did and she is rightly proclaimed a hero for it. If she had gotten her ass kicked by the cops would you have supported it?
Bottom line is that this guy is an asshat and he makes guys like me look like idiots when we talk of genuine civil rights violations.
mike
From the looks of the video, Kerry really knows how to pack 'em in. My school had bigger crowds for traditional folk musicians, and we only had 4000 underclassmen.
I have been pepper sprayed for less than what that jackass pulled with those cops. He could be legitimately charged with first degree disorderly conduct.
Some of you need to chill out. This has nothing to do with free speech. The guy was clearly resisting police officers (and acting like a jackass) and he got tasered. Standard. Had he just left, we’re not having this discussion right now.
For those of you who think he shouldn’t have been asked to shut up in the first place, I disagree. He was being disruptive and screwing up the proceedings. Ask a question, get an answer. He has a right to free speech, he does not have the right take over John Kerry’s stage and make it his own. What if he showed up at the 50 yard line of the next Redskins game and wanted to make a speech? Do we have to let him? Can we not remove him?
Lets get serious here. Some idiot wanted to seem important and sound smart. He wound up sounding like a moron, resisting officers, and he got what he deserved. Nothing more.
They should have tasered Kerry too, just for fun.
[quote]Avocado wrote:
wow, I wish i were surprised that so many people support the suppression of human rights. No matter how stupid the question you should support his right to speak it. It’s not about what he says it’s about what happened to him for saying it. If you support that then you are just like the people in germany that thought hitler’s regime was cool.
It’s tragically ironic that people always ask “How could those germans have let such a monster do what he did?” when a comparable situation is happening right now. Those germans bought into the media they were being shown just as many people buy into the same type of media right now. Hitler’s scapegoat was the jews. Who is Bush’s scapegoat? terrorist’s of course. Concentration camp = Guantanamo.
The styme of critical thinking was as prevalent in 1939 as it is now in 2007 north America.
-chris[/quote]
Yeah, we Americans are all being fitted for brown shirts right now. You Canadians better watch out, because I think Gordon Brown is signing a treaty with Bush right now that gives the U.S. clearance to invade Canada.
Are you really so thick as to believe in those comparisons you made? Holy fucking brain-deadness Batman!
DB
I think they ought to impeach Bush, but that kid was a total jerk-off. No one violated his free speech. He got a chance to make his point, but it was the University’s platform, they set the rules, he violated them, so his time to speak was over. If he had co-operated and walked out quietly, I am sure nothing would have been done to him.
I went to anti WTO protest and an anti-war protest once, and the left-wing is mostly made up of douche-bags like this. They just show up to protest because its the hip thing to do. They are poorly informed, can’t articulate their position worth a shit, and think they have a right start trouble with the cops, block public streets and side walks and trespass on private property. There are good people who show up to these events as well, but the freaks and the flag burners get all the attention, and give the progressive movement a bad name.
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
I love Gainesville and UF. We always have so many exciting things going on![/quote]
I must say, after assuming the incredibly dull Kerry would provide an incredibly dull debate, it was pretty surprising to see the headline “Don’t Tase me” on the front page of the Alligator today.
After seeing that video he seems like a jackass though. “They are going to kill me.” What an attention seeker. I’m sure enough students will complain to get him off though.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I think they ought to impeach Bush, but that kid was a total jerk-off. No one violated his free speech. He got a chance to make his point, but it was the University’s platform, they set the rules, he violated them, so his time to speak was over. If he had co-operated and walked out quietly, I am sure nothing would have been done to him.
I went to anti WTO protest and an anti-war protest once, and the left-wing is mostly made up of douche-bags like this. They just show up to protest because its the hip thing to do. They are poorly informed, can’t articulate their position worth a shit, and think they have a right start trouble with the cops, block public streets and side walks and trespass on private property. There are good people who show up to these events as well, but the freaks and the flag burners get all the attention, and give the progressive movement a bad name.[/quote]
Couldn’t of said it better. The second video clearly shows him resisting the 2 cops who tried to escort him out. I’m just taking a guess here, but when 2 trained police officers are having trouble holding on to 1 guy, he’s putting up a quite a struggle. So instead of beating him down (like they would do in many other countries) they just taser him.
Chris Matthews today tried to blame the tazer on the war, spreading democracy at gun point and actually claimed our troops were forcing people to vote at gunpoint. All in discussion about the tazer incident.
Not that it has anything to do with the incident itself but I am just shaking my had about his nuttery. I think they should have zapped him.
Reminds me of this guy.
The 2 most responsible cops will be sued and this video is an expose of the tactics used against those who don’t play by the new rules of shut up and listen.
kerry is a pussy loser who rambled while someone who questioned his inaction and falsehood was rushed and electroshocked. It was an easy way for kerry to evade the questions.
these tactics are used all the time at republican events to silence critics and protestors. They have a manual on how to stop anybody who disagrees from even getting into the events.
they cut this kid’s mic and got him out of there when he dared to speak truth to this asshole. The police cannot come in and lay hands on you because you’re asking questions the guest speaker is afraid of.
His speech is constitutionally protected, whether he cut in line or not. The police can’t just say hey sit down because I told you to…this isn’t china. So, these cops are in deep shit.
Couldn’t of said it better. The second video clearly shows him resisting the 2 cops who tried to escort him out. I’m just taking a guess here, but when 2 trained police officers are having trouble holding on to 1 guy, he’s putting up a quite a struggle. So instead of beating him down (like they would do in many other countries) they just taser him.<<
Your argument is invalid because the arrest was bad. They had no grounds because the man was not a threat and presented no threat. Simple telling a citizen to stop talking or sit down is not within a police officer’s authority. It’s a clear violation of his 1st amendment rights of free speech and freedom of assembly.
They can’t charge him with disorderly because the cops instigated it- and clearly did so- and the charge of resisting with violence canot stand because the arrest was invalid due to lack of a valid reason to place him in custodial detention. What you saw initially is what is termed a ‘mere encounter’, and no citizen has a duty to comply with any command from any cop if that citizen is not under investigative or custodial detention…which requires probable cause, of which there was none.
This was a civil rights violation and the county will pay out big time.
[quote]USNS physique wrote:
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This was a civil rights violation and the county will pay out big time.[/quote]
You are mistaken. The school has every right to turn off his mike and ask him to leave the building. He does not have any right to disrupt Kerry’s speech.
Can I interrupt someone singing the national anthem at a baseball game? Free speech!!!
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I wish I could see the video. Some people need to be tasered. I have no idea if this guy was one of them but based on CrewPierces description he may have deserved it.[/quote]
He did, like CP said, for general jackassery.
I <3 how people twist things and try to make it sound like he quietly asked a question and was assaulted for it.
[quote]USNS physique wrote:
Couldn’t of said it better. The second video clearly shows him resisting the 2 cops who tried to escort him out. I’m just taking a guess here, but when 2 trained police officers are having trouble holding on to 1 guy, he’s putting up a quite a struggle. So instead of beating him down (like they would do in many other countries) they just taser him.<<
Your argument is invalid because the arrest was bad. They had no grounds because the man was not a threat and presented no threat. Simple telling a citizen to stop talking or sit down is not within a police officer’s authority. It’s a clear violation of his 1st amendment rights of free speech and freedom of assembly. [/quote]
I disagree. Are you suggesting that a judge cannot tell someone to stop talking or sit down during court, because its a violation of that persons rights?
Given the context of the situation, the police had every right to tell him that his time was up.
Yes, he has the right to say what he wants, NO he does not have the right to say it wherever and whenever he wants.
[quote]USNS physique wrote:
The 2 most responsible cops will be sued and this video is an expose of the tactics used against those who don’t play by the new rules of shut up and listen.
kerry is a pussy loser who rambled while someone who questioned his inaction and falsehood was rushed and electroshocked. It was an easy way for kerry to evade the questions.
these tactics are used all the time at republican events to silence critics and protestors. They have a manual on how to stop anybody who disagrees from even getting into the events.
they cut this kid’s mic and got him out of there when he dared to speak truth to this asshole. The police cannot come in and lay hands on you because you’re asking questions the guest speaker is afraid of.
His speech is constitutionally protected, whether he cut in line or not. The police can’t just say hey sit down because I told you to…this isn’t china. So, these cops are in deep shit.
[/quote]
Did you even watch the video? Kerry had nothing to do with the guy being tasered, gave no order for him to be tasered, and when the cops first told the kid to sit down, he CLEARLY says “Let me answer his question.”
Seriously… just. wow. seriously.