Hell - I could tell everyone to wait 4-6 weeks after their last injection of Test E, see what your blood levels look like, and then use a SERM if you still need a bump. And in doing that, I will achieve the exact same results as you do with the taper. it’s called a half-life.
RJ…that is incorrect, and i would expect someone like yourself to know that. relying on the half life alone simply does not provide a gradual enough transition. you do see that right? its not “the same”.
anyways. i personally feel for shorter cycles that standard PCT is fine, but if you are going to be on 16, 20, 24 weeks or more…better look into the taper. it does work.
It’s the same theory. Either you are shut down, or you are not.
If I have a cumulative exogenous test level in my body of say 1.5 grams (assuming I am on test e), it will take about 6-8 weeks to get to the magical 50mg level. No exogenous test. No prolonging natural recovery.
Half life is more gradual than being on exogenous testosterone. The only problem is knowing exactly what the half life is for you - which is the same problem with the taper: Unless you know exactly what is going on in your body (i.e constant blood work) it is a crap shoot at best.
There are many people out there that recover just fine with no pct - only the natural taper of the ester. Was it a theory born out of thinking real hard? No - it was born out of ignorance.
But you know as well as I do that there are many people that use neither a taper, nor PCT, and recover just fine.
I am not knocking the taper. If it works for you - more power to you. As much as everyone wants this to be a science - it isn’t, and acting like it is is just silly. All you have are ideas. All I have are ideas.
Even P-22 addressed this in Bushy’s thread. There is just no way to do a definitive study in humans as the climate sits today.
Drug half lives: keep in mind a depot is stored in the muscle, it doesn’t gradually dissapate. The peak of these steroids actually happens quite quickly, and the bulk of the amount of steroid is absorbed out of the muscle and into the bloodstream more at a higher rate at the begining when there is more to draw on. Once the amount diminishes, so does the daily amount released. So you can’t depend on those graphing computer programs to tell you how much testosterone is releasing. When you factor in the ester weight as well, it becomes complicated. Too complicated, and my entire goal was to make things really simple, it is just easier to do a weekly TRT dose, and slowly reduce it once the waiting period is done. That way you have a level of control over your testosterone level, something you would not have if you just let things self taper.
It is well known that users of testosterone depots for trt prefer weekly injections over biweekly injections just because levels are more stable.
I realise you don’t like me, and this is personal for you, but bashing the taper will get you nowhere.
It is actually firmly grounded in science. If you recall I backed up all my claims with peer reviewed work more than a year ago.
So frankly just leave it alone now. Demeaning me and trying to demean it as not being based on science is a total fallacy. -and that is why I get piss sometime, because I have had these debates and aguments a hundred times, spend many hours on the computer over this, yet people still try every couple of months or so to attack it, using the very same arguments already used and defeated.
Just wish people would accept things and let them be.