Hi rainjack. Let's get things straight here. Llewellyn whose work I have not paid much attention too since I saw a work where he was advising such high doses of hcg in the 3000 iu range! I could care less about him or those other 'so called gurus' out there. They are frequently running each other's work down themselves, so no need for me to do so.
I simply used certain protocols and found that they did not work, so, after reading some theories by Cy Willson (someone btw who has an intellect that is a level above all these other so called experts) I came to an understanding in regards to his test taper using androgel.
Since androgel is expensive and we all don't have access to that I worked out a protocol using testosterone depot.
Most of the research was already done for me by Cy Willson. He emailed me most of everything i needed. (but prefered not to get involved in the petty forum discussions with you know who).
I simply took his work and using my own knowlege and experience put together a protocol that works.
Now whether you use a serm or not during the taper I could care less, as I have gotten it to work without one, and have also gotten it to work while using low dose masteron. However the skeleton of the test taper waiting period and the taper is my own developement, and it works. Everyone who has tried it (and most who have have used other protocols in the past) agree that it does everything advertised - it allows you to come off cycle without crashing, losing libido, acne flair ups, mood swings depression e.t.c, helps maintain a decent amount of size, and in the end offers a smooth transition back to recovery of natural testicular function.
This is something that the other protocols have never been able to consistently offer.
Now the fact that I found a protocol that works and am willing to share it with all free of charge, and don't need to write a book... well some people are thanking me, but others who have writen books, or are 'marks' for those who have continue with this campaign to disprove me.
It's been almost two years now. Nobody has been able to disprove my theories, and more and more people who are trying this approach and realising how successfull it is.
Quit frankly I am tired of posting on here to help people get the protocol correct and still getting attacked once in a while on here due to the test taper theory.
Bottom line is people: give it up! the test taper works, instead of attacking, try it for yourself because I guarentee you will never go back to using hcg and serm protocols again.