Talking Libertarianism

Right. Right. We have government subsidies to pay for for vital functions like paying for the advertising for Christmas tree farms. Without taxpayer funds, people wouldn’t know that they could buy a Christmas tree. Pork.

But, sure. I want to say you’re trolling, but I think the new term all the kids are using is shitpost.

The socialist would have a different explanation.

Also, a problem occurs with capitalism when it is considered a moral ideology but descends into amorality. Capitalism becomes the means and the ends.

If you weren’t blinded by tribalism you would see that my post did not take sides but pointed out a phenomenon.

FFS - if you think PP is “blinded by tribalism” then I think you miss the majority of her posts or…

Having a slow day today or something?

Huh? An economic system is not a moral ideology. Capitalism is not an “ends.” The “ends” is the satisfaction of the material desires and needs of people(just as it is in all economic systems).

If you believe that capitalism is not sold as being morally superior to communism (and vice versa) then you are not paying attention. Just look at the responses I get for saying that commies and capitalists view their respective ideologies the same way on paper.

I believe capitalism is morally superior to communism and that communism, regardless of how it looks on paper, inevitably leads to totalitarianism. The question I raised is whether or not capitalism inevitably leads to the same.

Someone is butthurt.

Well. No. I just read your subsequent posts. Your post @ “what you are judging isn’t REAL capitalism?” That’s a very, very confusing way to make your point.

I think everybody reading your comment took that as you attempting to point out an error in thinking related to that letter to the editor, that capitalists complain about the same things as socialists? OK? They say the same things to justify capitalism?

You know as well as I do that BOTH major political parties love to throw taxpayer money into all kinds of industries. It happens at every level of government. The local politicians and the local crony capitalists are often the same people. You’d be hard pressed to find a single industry that isn’t riddled with government incentives, subsidies, or preferences.

Pork spending at the Fed level is the best example, from both major political parties. At the local level, little towns pay companies to come to their town, trying to attract jobs, then the company takes the startup money or incentives and declares bankruptcy and moves on. This has happened repeatedly in my home town. It’s not a partisan statement, so I’m not sure what makes you describe that as tribalism. I do hate Commies, so if that’s tribalism then… Yep. I agree wtih you. Capitalism is morally superior.

I thought we were talking about socialism, but anyhow:
If capitalism inevitably leads to totalitarianism, it is due to our flawed nature. Communism REQUIRES totalitarianism.

No economic system is morally superior to another. They are economic systems, and not people. Morality violations may occur in the implementation of an economic system.

Not at all. Interesting you would think that… :wink:

Market based economy with private property rights vs collectivist central planning economy. Same exact people and culture. Any questions?

To @anon71262119 's point the corruption of government is bolted onto market economies. I’d go so far as to say that anywhere government power and business touch it not only creates the potential for corruption, it is corruption.

You’ll note that even China and Russia have gone with market economies coupled with vast government bribery/kickback cultures (China’s parliament has 100 billionaires) and limited civil liberties.

The vaunted “socialist” European countries don’t have much in the way of collective ownership of the means of production. They are market based economies with huge taxes and social safety nets.

Very few heavily central planned economies are left. Off the top of my head: Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.

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I have a sneaking suspicion he’s not here to learn the differences but to troll hard…

BTW, great game last night. I was reserved a few times to have to go through Heinz field in the playoffs - lucky bounce the Pats way but it could’ve been a very different outcome.

Steelers played hard and down 2 very important pieces of their game. Hope Brown is good soon … I thought he broke his tibia/fibula the way his lower leg wobbled the way it did, partially torn calf.

I was looking forward to him getting MVP as a receiver. Not now if he misses two games. He has more yards/TDs than the entire Bears’ receiving core.

He works like a HOF player, so it’s good to see him do well. First at practice, does reps after the rest of the team is gone.

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Once a wild west, California is now a land of bans

Some of you might appreciate this article.

How does one “close” a beach? lol

The lifeguards or park rangers come around and tell you to leave. A lot of beaches close at dark, so in the winter, they are closed by the time you get off work. CA really loves lots of little rules.

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FWIW, I live in Ohio and lake Erie beach bans make this look like a joke. Chump Cali people and their pansy ass bans.

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It turns out that between 1970 and 2010 the worst poverty in the world – people who live on one dollar a day or less – that has decreased by 80 percent (see chart above). You never hear about that.
It’s the greatest achievement in human history, and you never hear about it.

80 percent of the world’s worst poverty has been eradicated in less than 40 years. That has never, ever happened before.

So what did that? What accounts for that? United Nations? US foreign aid? The International Monetary Fund? Central planning? No.

It was globalization, free trade, the boom in international entrepreneurship. In short, it was the free enterprise system, American style, which is our gift to the world.

I will state, assert and defend the statement that if you love the poor, if you are a good Samaritan, you must stand for the free enterprise system, and you must defend it, not just for ourselves but for people around the world. It is the best anti-poverty measure ever invented.

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That was a great post by the way. Thanks, @Basement_Gainz

Is this dollar a day adjusted for inflation?

Edit: Nevermind I see now it’s by way of 1987’s dollar. Answered my own question.

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